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    • CommentAuthorwookey
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2024 edited
     
    Has anyone tried using the hemp-fibre based insulation from new Scottish outfit IndiNature?
    I heard about them on the Zero Ambition podcast and they seem a very sound outfit. We've been very short of UK manufacture of natural insulation so it's good to see some happening.

    I need to top up my loft and do some insulating around the eaves and some slightly-flexible woodfibre or hemp batts seems like a good material to use (move any moisture away from the joists and a bit of squishiness helps with the awkward shapes). But it does matter how easy it is to cut as I need to make diagonal 160mm cuts to make a wedge-shaped base piece.

    I know sheepswool (Thermafleece) is extremely difficult to cut. Fluffy woodfibre is easy - solid woodfibre is more or less like timber. Semi-rigid rockwool batts are easy. I have no idea where hemp batts fall on this scale.
    Looks like they have loft batts (IndiLoft) and flexible wall batts (IndiTherm) available now with semi-rigid boards coming any day now. The IndiTherm appears to be reasonably widely available already (e.g. from ecomerchant).

    There is a youtube vid here showing cutting with a 'wavy edge' insulation saw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoiPd8VM3bQ
    I'm not familiar with those. That makes it look to me like it's harder to cut than soft woodfibre but easier than thermofleece, but it's quite hard to tell.
    • CommentAuthorGreenPaddy
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2024
     
    Looks very interesting, and great that it seems to be a UK product (not just a UK flag stamped on the packaging).

    A quick look seems to show a few points of interest (to me) -

    It appears to have a consistency between wood fibre and standard glasswool loft roll. The video on the website shows the cutting technique, with an edge something like a bread knife. Looks nice to work with, quite dense yet fexible, and doesn't crumble like some of the rockwool type products.

    Lambda of 0.039 W/mk so nearest equivalent would be a loftroll 40. (polystyrene reg is 0.038, graph is 0.033)

    IndiNature appears to be approx £15/m2 @100mm thk. Loftroll40 approx £5/m2 @100mm thk.

    Not sure I could convince my clients to pay 3 times price to use this. I could get a frametherm 32 for say £12/m2, which is similarly dense, but 20% better insulative properties. Hopefully increased usage/volume might lead to improved prices.

    Fire resistance is euroclass E, which is high contribution to fire, worse than fire retarded polystytrene.
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2024
     
    Posted By: wookeyHas anyone tried using the hemp-fibre based insulation from new Scottish outfit IndiNature?
    Not from them, but I'm currently using a near-identical product in France, where it's already much more common than in the UK. A good product with superior adsoprtion & desportion properties to most other insulants, and pleasant to work with.

    Posted By: wookeyBut it does matter how easy it is to cut as I need to make diagonal 160mm cuts to make a wedge-shaped base piece.
    It's doable with a wavy-edge saw for small quantities, but for large numbers of cuts it's a PITA. Hire or pick up a second hand Bosch GFZ 16-35 AC reciprocating saw with wavy-edge blades, and it becomes a pleasure.
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    Posted By: Mike1Hire or pick up a second hand Bosch GFZ 16-35 AC reciprocating saw with wavy-edge blades, and it becomes a pleasure.

    Or for the cheapskates amongst us would a Parkside reciprocating saw also work?
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2024
     
    Posted By: Peter_in_HungaryOr for the cheapskates amongst us would a Parkside reciprocating saw also work?
    I generally like Parkside stuff. Do they do wavy edge blades?
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2024
     
    If you can get wavy blades for the Parkside, I guess it would work.
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    Parkside reciprocating saws use generic blades not brand specific
  3.  
    Google a picture of Mike's recommendation - it's not the same beast as I would call a reciprocating saw in the UK.

    Yes it's a saw, and yes it reciprocates, but otherwise it looks more related to a chainsaw than a sabre saw...
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2024
     
    Looks more like a normal reciprocating saw to me, just with a guard. Nothing to suggest any chains or whatever?
    • CommentAuthorGreenPaddy
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2024
     
    I suspect you won't get a particularly stright cut with a regular recip saw, as he blades are quite narrow. This sabre saw is a much wider blade, more like a hand saw. Think these might be called aligator saws? If anyone ever uses this insulation, consider hiring an aligator saw for the bulk of the cutting, and any final bits and pieces use the elbow powered saw - they're only £20.
  4.  
    Yes, this is an alligator saw, it has a rigid 14" bar sticking out of the front (like the bar of a chainsaw) and the teeth slide along the bar, powered by the motor in the back of the saw. There are two sets of teeth sliding in opposite directions so it doesn't 'pull' on the material, which doesn't need to be clamped.

    The Bosch one doesn't seem available in UK, but buy online from Germany for £1500. There is a DeWalt version at Screwfix for £800, without batteries. Haven't seen a parkside version yet!
    • CommentAuthorMike1
    • CommentTimeAug 21st 2024 edited
     
    I've found a video for you - in French, but just look at the sawing half way through:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvjRvN1rTM0

    In my experience, the hand saw is less effective than shown, perhaps because of the specific type of insulation that I have, while the Bosch saw is just as easy as it looks.
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