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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2026 18:59:32 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Peter_in_Hungary</author>
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			<![CDATA[I'm doing a total renovation of a single floor dwelling. There is a new cold roof with the ceiling make-up of plasterboard  - 300 mm glass wool - ventilated roof void. The ceiling joists (100 x 150 at 900 centres)  are within the bottom part of the insulation. The roof is tiles with a breathable roofing felt.<br /><br />The question is - Is a VCL above the plasterboard (i.e. on the warm side of the insulation) required?]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2026 12:49:44 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Nick Parsons</author>
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			<![CDATA[Many of us have houses with no VCL below roof-void level. That void will probably have been empty, and then we fill it with 6, 9, 12 inches of insulation. Even then, if we keep the 'ventilation path' (in an old building the bits where the roof does not quite touch the walls, rather that specific 'vents') open we probably still don't have problems. If as you say, the lay-up is new I would, for the sake of a ha-p-orth of ... VCL, use a VCL, and I would probably use an intelligent membrane. A well-taped plastic sheet would do. Sticking my nose in, have you thought of 400 or 500 glass wool, for a relatively small marginal cost? If you install 300, you will be very unlikely to top up, I suspect, whereas if you do it from scratch you've got the gains, right from the start.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2026 23:30:47 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Peter_in_Hungary</author>
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			<![CDATA[The reason I ask is that I seem to remember reading somewhere that not having a VCL could help remove humidity from the building due to evaporation through the ceiling to be exhausted by the roof void ventilation. If this is the case I would prefer not to have the VCL providing there are no downsides]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2026 10:35:57 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[A VCL prevents (or reduces) the amount of moisture leaking from the warmer internal space of the dwelling to the colder space of the ventilated roof area. Whether that is a problem depends on whether the insulation is susceptible to damp, as well as the magnitudes of the differences in temperature and humidity. So for example foam insulation like EPS beads is unlikely to be affected, whilst rockwool may become saturated near its top and cease to function, and organic insulation may start to rot in time.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2026 15:20:17 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[Yeah, in any 'breatheable' (basically, without VCL) construction, the outermost (coldest) bit of the insulation is going to get interstitial condensation at some point in the winter, in non-mediterranean Europe at least. The trick is to get it re-drying at the first opportunity, and ideally to not have any deteriorable material in that zone.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2026 22:09:19 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[I would always use a vapour membrane on the warm side of the insulation and more crucially use it as the air tightness barrier too, joining it to air barriers in other building elements.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 10:23:57 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>WillInAberdeen</author>
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			<![CDATA[Breathable insulation doesn't get internal condensation, that's a bit of a myth. The water vapour molecules 'could' condense at the dewpoint within the insulation layer, but they'd 'rather' keep on moving towards the outside where it's even colder and they're even happier to condense. The dehumidifier principle.<br /><br />Classic explanation and photos of this by Lstiburek:<br /><a href="https://buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-049-confusion-about-diffusion" target="_self" rel="nofollow">https://buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-049-confusion-about-diffusion</a>]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 12:05:34 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[Capillary action in some insulation types modifies the behaviour, of course.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 12:28:31 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hmmm. But does that mean that the insulation, from theoretical dewpoint outward, remains 'dry' - or at least as dry as the inboard insulation? If not, then it's still going to be soaked up by any rottable stuff, like timber or OSB, or even wood-fibre insulation itself, in that zone.<br /><br />I'm dubious about billiard-ball whizzing-around molecules of water remain free to keep whizzing, once coagulated into liquid droplets (i.e. condensing faster than they're evaporating). So what, other than capillarity, drives their "'rather' keep on moving towards the outside"? NB water molecules are not themselves individually either 'gas' or 'condensed to liquid' - they're either free-whizzing, or coagulated.<br /><br />What defines a 'surface', in water molecules' terms? something that's more or less transparent to individual whizzing-around molecules, but impervious to coagulated droplets?]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 15:52:07 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>WillInAberdeen</author>
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			<![CDATA[Yes, the insulation remains dry and the theoretical dewpoint is just theoretical.<br /><br />Lstiburek will explain why water likes to do that better than me, because I'd like to talk about Gibbs free energy and stuff like that! But think of the Great Cold Outdoors as being a big dehumidifier that keeps the outside of your insulation nice and dry.<br /><br />If you have more hair than me then try this experiment - walk around outdoors on a cold day with no hat on. Does the outside of your hair-do get damp with condensation? No! Could try this with a cat or dog instead. :-)]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 22:04:51 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[Doesn't this make WUFI pointless?]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 10:27:59 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[Rottable stuff tends to be capillary active, which can reverse flow from the condensation on the outer surface of the insulation. But there's generally some other factor at work as well.]]>
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