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  1.  
    Hi,

    I'm in the process of buying a victorian 3 bedroom house that has no central heating. There are fireplaces in 2 of the downstairs reception rooms and 2 in a further 2 bedrooms. I have been very interested to read about the wood burning stoves in some of the many discussions on this website. Due to the fact that I am planning to restore the house on a very tight budget and also carrying out the majority of the work myself, I'm looking to heat the house, in the most cost effective but at the same time efficient way as possible.

    I have a couple of thoughts so far, firstly buying a Wamsler 1100 series central heating cooker stove which I could link up to a radiator directly above the kitchen, and to a second radiator in the adjoining room which would require limited plumbing. Also connecting it to a hot water tank? Would the hot water tank need to be on the 1st floor or could it be housed on the ground floor.

    Would this provide enough heat for the whole house? Or would I need further radiators in each of the bedrooms? Is there a cheaper product that would do the same job, but of a similar quality?

    As yet I don't have a cooker which is why I'm considering the all in one.

    Any thoughts or recommendations would be much appreciated. Open to all suggestions.
    • CommentAuthorludite
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    Friends of ours live in a 2 bed terrace with no central heating. It's not well insulated. They have a gas fire in the front room and they do a lot of baking in the kitchen at the back. They wear a lot of clothes and they are used to the cold in the winter in the upstairs rooms.

    My sister has an end terrace 3 bed, with an open fire in the front room, a tiny stove in the back and gas central heating to the upstairs.

    Go for the stove option if you can get free wood. If you can get one big enough to heat you dhw so much the better.

    If you install central heating be prepared for all the drying out and shrinking of the fabric of the building that is bound to occur.
  2.  
    I would try and avoid a gas fire as they are very inefficient - most of the heat goes straight up the chimney!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2008
     
    The cooker option will keep you warm but it will be pretty inefficient. You will need rads in every room

    My advice is to do external insulation. and plenty 400mm in the loft and under the floors 200mm +
    • CommentAuthorsimeon
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Open flame effect gas fires are inefficient at about 25%. Radiant gas fires are relatively efficient at about 85%. Coal and smokeless solid fuel open fires are only 15% and so is wood. Tony is right but the capital cost of draughtproofing and insulation is high. Stoves are in the region of 60 - 75%. Having open chimneys is a mad idea.
  3.  
    Hi Simeon, can I ask what you mean by radiant gas fires?
  4.  
    It might be sensible not to invest in kit which makes you rely on a fuel that you won't be able to afford in a few years time.
    • CommentAuthorsimeon
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2008
     
    Hi Mike,

    By way of example:

    http://www.fireplacesuk.org.uk/gasfires2.htm

    88% efficiency quoted

    Hi Biff,

    I guess gas will continue to be the most affordable for the next few decades.
  5.  
    Thanks Simeon, that surprises me. I didn't realise the efficiency can be that high.
  6.  
    Thanks for all the comments. Now I have a lot to think about.

    Biff, when you refered to fuel that would become too expensive, were you refering to wood or gas?
    • CommentAuthorTerry
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2008 edited
     
    all fuel will go up, unless you have your own supply of wood. As energy prices go up, wood will be in greater demand, pushing the price up.

    re heating, what about a thermal store (plenty threads on this here - do a search) cost a bit now, but gives you flexibility for the future. eg adding solar for summer hot water etc at a later date.
    • CommentAuthormattstan51
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2008
     
    I'd agree with Terry - we have an Edwardian terraced house (4 bed) with a thermal store - it works well and has allowed a smaller boiler so cheaper gas bills.

    If you want to add solar later make sure you spec the store to have the coil in now.

    I'd recommend radiators in every room as later it will be hard to sell without. But you can size the rads to suit your temperatures - I spec'd mine to 18 deg C in the bedrooms and 20 downstairs with 15 for the utility areas - cuts down on wasted heat and reduced gas consumption.

    The most important thing then is to think about what temperatures you are happy with and design the system around those.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2008
     
    I think mains gas should remain the most affordable of the main three but I'm expecting mains gas to rise another 40% by next summer unless oil prices fall noticably.
    • CommentAuthorRachel
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2008
     
    Check out Clearview. Their stoves are very efficient and run many radiators. The actual base for Clearview in Ludlow is in a big old house which is all heated by a clearview stove and radiators.
    • CommentAuthormike7
    • CommentTimeJul 20th 2008
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: mattstan51</cite> But you can size the rads to suit your temperatures - I spec'd mine to 18 deg C in the bedrooms and 20 downstairs with 15 for the utility areas - cuts down on wasted heat and reduced gas consumption.

    </blockquote>

    I'm not sure about this - might it not be better to oversize a bit to allow faster warmup times or extreme cold spells? You can always regulate the room temps by regulating the flow temp to the rads, or by room stat, or less effectively by radiator valves.

    Wiser heads than mine on this forum will know.
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