Fri, 14 Aug 2026 20:11:29 +0100 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5631#Comment_5631 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5631#Comment_5631 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:23:39 +0100 Mike George Posted By: fostertom. That's the right sort of answer to yr Q, Mike George

and above ground?]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5634#Comment_5634 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5634#Comment_5634 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:07:48 +0100 Chris Wardle
http://www.midwestearthbuilders.com/index.html

They seem to doing quite nicely without much concrete. I don't see why this can't be done over here. Someone has just got to convince the building regs people and be willing to take a risk that the public will buy the end product. There has got to be a case for some public money here to prime the pump hasn't there? Maybe a few social housing schemes? Instead of dragging materials up and down the country, build with the earth already on the site.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5636#Comment_5636 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5636#Comment_5636 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:13:00 +0100 biffvernon https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5638#Comment_5638 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5638#Comment_5638 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:24:12 +0100 Mike George Posted By: Chris WardleHave a look at this Mike:-There has got to be a case for some public money here to prime the pump hasn't there? Maybe a few social housing schemes? Instead of dragging materials up and down the country, build with the earth already on the site.

Yes, wonderful, but do you see this coming to pass in the age of the throw up semi detached shell? Do you see the likes of Wimpatt and Barry taking up the idea?

Personally, I think abobe/strawbale/timber frame/ sips with natural insulations are far better than concrete, for other reasons as well as EE- However, it will require a very big investment for this to stand any chance or replacing concrete. Money which can be spent a thousand times over in other areas, investment in renewanbles for example.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5639#Comment_5639 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5639#Comment_5639 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:27:24 +0100 Mike George Posted By: biffvernonThe only place you need concrete is for airport runways.

um - I don't think so]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5640#Comment_5640 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5640#Comment_5640 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:39:39 +0100 biffvernon
By the way, if anyone wants to know about rates of oil production the figures, as up to date as it gets, are here: http://www.peakoil.nl/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/oilwatch_monthly_august_2007.pdf

with an easy summary here: http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2864#more]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5644#Comment_5644 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5644#Comment_5644 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:16 +0100 Chris Wardle https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5646#Comment_5646 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5646#Comment_5646 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:53:47 +0100 Mike George
I think we have digressed a little from burning wood]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5651#Comment_5651 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5651#Comment_5651 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:57:58 +0100 biffvernon
The price of gas and oil are closely linked as there is a good deal of potential for substitution in some industries, including cement making.

The shortage of materials for concrete is evidenced by Tarmac's desire to destroy the archaeological heritage of the Thornborough Henge Complex. See: http://www.friendsofthornborough.org.uk/]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5653#Comment_5653 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5653#Comment_5653 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:53:31 +0100 Mike George
I don't think much of the evidence for limestone running out so we'll have to agree to disagree on that one as well. Even if it were short, there are plenty of pozzolamic materials]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5677#Comment_5677 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5677#Comment_5677 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:20:20 +0100 Chris Wardle
How do you survive this financially? Cut your consumption of energy as much as possible and own your own energy supplies. Whether it's a solar panel or shares in an oil company, the effect is to generate rising income to offset your rising energy costs.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5679#Comment_5679 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5679#Comment_5679 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:37:05 +0100 fostertom Posted By: Chris WardleHow do you survive this financially?How do you profit nicely from this financially?

Provide yourself with a house or business premises that has very low energy rating, and watch its capital value rise ever more strongly against the general market - and see the differential increase even more in case of a property value slump (i.e. its value may fall along with everything else, but less than the rest). As fuel prices really settle into their steady march upward, cost of heating most buildings will become crippling, and at housebuying time really low-energy ones will attain premium prices, ever more so as fuel prices increase.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5681#Comment_5681 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5681#Comment_5681 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:26:27 +0100 Chris Wardle https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5685#Comment_5685 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5685#Comment_5685 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:47:57 +0100 fostertom Anyway, nice to realise that the payoff for low-energy isn't merely fuel running cost saving (the basis of all payback-period calcs) but also capital appreciation.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5687#Comment_5687 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5687#Comment_5687 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:51:30 +0100 biffvernon Posted By: Mike GeorgeI don't think much of the evidence for limestone running out so we'll have to agree to disagree on that one as well. I never said we'd run out of limestone. It's aggregartes that Tarmac want to quarry from around the Thornborough Henges.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5690#Comment_5690 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5690#Comment_5690 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:06:10 +0100 Mike George https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5733#Comment_5733 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5733#Comment_5733 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:40:00 +0100 Chris Wardle https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5734#Comment_5734 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5734#Comment_5734 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:04:31 +0100 Mike George https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5740#Comment_5740 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=235&Focus=5740#Comment_5740 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:47:15 +0100 Jeff Norton (NZ)
I don't think you have much longer to wait!

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