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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[I saw one at the Brighton Earthship and was not impressed. Not the latest model, admittedly. From inside it looked like an underpowered electric lamp. The light was dim and bluish - probably because there was no direct sunlight (normal for UK, I'm afraid).<br /><br />Soon I expect it will be more economical, and better for the building's insulation, to install an off-grid PV panel on the roof, wired to energy-efficient lamps in the part of the building that lacks natural light.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2016 20:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Probably cheaper already.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2016 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Ed Davies</author>
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			<![CDATA[My house design has a short corridor on the north side from the front door past the guest bedroom and bathroom doors opening out into the kitchen and living room. It's likely to be a bit dark so I did some calculations as to whether or not to put a small roof window in.<br /><br />Assuming 2 hours lighting an evening and taking into account the need to source the energy for the extra heat-loss through the window (small triple glazed Velux) vs an approx 0.1 W/mÂ²Â·K roof the capital cost of PV and batteries needed for lighting came out to Â£30 less, IIRC. The cost of the actual lights are not included as one would assume they're needed anyway.<br /><br />For this application 2 hours an evening is probably an over-estimate. When it's sunny the PV energy can be used for other things but extra light through a north facing window isn't much use except when that corridor is in use.<br /><br />I do regret not having a window to the north at all (other than in the light in the front door from the porch/greenhouse out) but maybe I'll spend that Â£30 on a webcam <img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/tongue.gif" alt=":tongue:" title=":tongue:" /><br /><br />Wookey has previously joked (I think it was a joke) about building a house with no windows at all - PV + LED lighting and web cams.<br /><br />BTW, PV direct to LEDs (no batteries or anything) would work very proportionally as both are current devices. Just pick your LEDs so that each string has a total Vf just a bit less than the Vmpp of the panel. If you have multiple strings of LEDs then each would want a small resistor to keep the currents balanced.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2016 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Gotanewlife</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hmmmm, need to add in a bit of soul here: I really love it that many a night the moonlight coming through the tubes is enough to see by in my almost completely landlocked upstairs hallway.  Furthermore, in reality one wouldn't turn on a light in the day as the hall would in fact be bright enough but with my 2 tubes it is just gorgeous.  For the record: a tube brings in as much light as medium roof velux and the light is not changed in any way and can only be blueish if the dome has been tinted.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>rhamdu</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: Gotanewlife</cite>the light is not changed in any way and can only be blueish if the dome has been tinted.</blockquote> Good to hear a success story - albeit from a place where there is more sunlight and less concern about heat loss. <br />I don't know whether the light tube I saw was tinted. But since direct sunlight appears slightly yellow, and light from a clear or cloudy sky appears blue, I would have thought it was entirely possible for an untinted tube to emit a bluish light into the building. The subjective colours are affected by context: sky-light will appear more strongly blue if seen next to a 'warmer' light-source such as halogen lamps or the sun itself.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2016 09:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>Ed Davies</author>
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			<![CDATA[Posted By: rhamdu: â€œThe subjective colours are affected by context: sky-light will appear more strongly blue if seen next to a 'warmer' light-source such as halogen lamps or the sun itself.â€<br /><br />Absolutely - our eyes get very confused by adjacent colours.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2009/06/24/the_blue_and_the_green.html" target="_self" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2009/06/24/the_blue_and_the_green.html</a>]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:57:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>gravelld</author>
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			<![CDATA[Right, I'm going to up this again!<br /><br />I've an office on the N side of the house. Two narrow, shaded windows to the NW mean very little light, and I have to have the LEDs on whenever it's not bright outside. I also would greatly prefer daylight to LED light.<br /><br />This is a lean-to, so a roof window is a possibility. However fitting that into the aesthetic is a bit difficult for a couple of reasons, and I think a sun pipe would look better from outside. With a short tube length I think this is ideal.<br /><br />So now the sun pipe people appear to be getting their act together with numbers.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.solatube.co.uk/products/" target="_self" rel="nofollow">http://www.solatube.co.uk/products/</a> claim U down to 0.5W/m2K .<br /><br />What about air tightness, anyone know?]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:35:28 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>djh</author>
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			<![CDATA[I think the fact that they don't mention airtightness tells a story, but they are the obvious people to ask for a test report.<br /><br />I'm also not encouraged by their mention of specific supposed aspects of Passive House, without being a certified component. Smoke and mirrors.<br /><br />Their claim of 0.0345W/m2K for multi-foil also looks extremely dodgy.<br /><br />The BBA and the 'Determination of LT, g-value and U-value of Solatube daylighting systems' documents contradict each other about the material the dome is made from, as well as the U-value, and don't cover the model you're discussing in any case.<br /><br />Short of them producing a PHI certificate, keep the end of your barge pole clean.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:05:59 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: djh</cite>I'm also not encouraged by their mention of specific supposed aspects of Passive House, without being a certified component. Smoke and mirrors.</blockquote>Yes, I thought that.<br /><br />Will try to ring them.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 22:53:15 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[Sun pipes and sun tubes work well in meditranian or Caribbean/southern states<br /><br />Here they are a waste of time, insufficient light, too many downsides, plastic dome not durable enough.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 07:05:39 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: tony</cite>plastic dome not durable enough</blockquote>I designed and manufactured some at the end of the last century.  They are still in good condition.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 09:08:47 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>gravelld</author>
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			<![CDATA["Awkward" <img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/shocked.gif" alt=":shocked:" title=":shocked:" /> <img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/surprised.gif" alt=":surprised:" title=":surprised:" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:25:42 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>gravelld</author>
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			<![CDATA[I called them yesterday, mentioned the above questions. No call back yet...]]>
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