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    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     
    I need to repair a door :cry:

    Two years ago we had a Howdens timber back door fitted. After a year, it split! It's timber, with a glazed panel at the top and two solid panels at the bottom. The left hand panel split vertically down the middle. The panel appears to be made from two pieces of wood glued together and the join split. When it happened, the chap who fitted it talked to Howdens and came and filled the gap with something (I don't know exactly what). Another year on and it has split again in the same place. Howdens don't want to know :angry:

    Apart from now knowing more about what and where [not] to buy next time ... can anybody suggest the best way to repair such a fault. Maybe injecting some slightly flexible filler?

    Thanks, Dave
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    I dont think your have much luck , as the door expands and contracts through out the seasons, any glue will just split
    you could try cutting the beading out and fitting a new panel or perhap lining over the top of both panel, both sides with some thin ply
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     
    Panels should be loose in the groove not glued. Sometimes they get glued by mistake with blobs from the outer frame. The frame moves, the glue keeps 2 bits of panel attached and pulls it apart. Cure Wack the fielded part with a block and hammer to loosen the 2 parts of the panel. Open up the split and glue it, wack the 2 pieces of panel back together. Job done 2 minutes.
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      CommentAuthorrogerwhit
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     
    As a do-able solution, I suggest mastic (NOT silicone!) but you may have to enlarge the crack for the mastic to enter to depth. Mastic doesn't set but just skins over, so if the panel swells again in a wet period then the mastic should squeeze out a bit, giving the panel some elbow room.
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     
    Strongly disagree, my soloution is the correct one (-: Mastic is for use between stone /brick and wood. This panel is supposed to be in one piece independant of the the door framing, a loose fit in a groove. This is a repair I have done many times, it's a very common problem.
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     
    I'm having a bit of trouble visualising the wacking! I can see hitting it to loosen it, though I'm nervous about how hard to hit it. But I can't see how to slide the two pieces of the panel back together using a hammer - where to hit?

    Another ignorant question. If the panel is loose, what stops the wind and rain from whistling through?
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2008
     
    The panels are a snug fit in the groove, not slack enough for draughts, the paint usually enough to form a seal against moisture. Components of the door move independantly.

    The panel will be fielded, google it, I'll try describe.....an 18mm thick panel is normally rebated on both sides all round on four edges usually rebated by 6mm x 35mm -50mm and then further chamfered at 15 degrees so it fits in a 6mm groove, that makes it a fielded panel. The point where it is rebated usually affords some purchase for a block of wood and a hammer to wack the panel loose of the glue and close the gap. The panel was intended to be one independant piece of wood so any repair should result in that.
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2008
     
    prising with a chisel would achieve the same.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2008
     
    But wont the next coat of paint stick the two sides of the panel to the frame and then it will split open again -- cant paint can be stronger than glue especially if it being held both inside and out?
    • CommentAuthorjoe.e
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2008
     
    Has the panel split completely into two pieces, or are they still stuck together? Is the split wider at one end than the other?
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2008
     
    richy, thanks I'll take another look tonight.

    joe.e, it's just split at the top for perhaps 100 mm or so.
    • CommentAuthorjoe.e
    • CommentTimeSep 23rd 2008
     
    Ok, so either it's only stuck to the door frame at the top corners, and as it's shrunk it's split at the top; or, it's deformed as it's shrunk and that's caused the split. If you can get any purchase on it to push the split closed, then I'd do as Richy suggests. But if the wood has deformed a bit and that's what's made it split, then maybe you'll have to go with the mastic solution. Is it painted or varnished - can you see the grain of the wood? If you can, is it fairly straight-grained or is it a bit wild and twisty?
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    I'm with Tony ,
    if painted this will cause the door panel to split again . I've seen this several time
    I'm sure richys right when it comes to a well made door , 18mm thick panel might be asking to much for a howdens door
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