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    • CommentAuthorDEA David
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2008
     
    I am a manufacturer of SIP building panels and insulated building boards for the construction industry. I have had one query about decrement delay but I do not know how to calculate the value. As I make many different types of panel with varying u-values I could do with a calculation rather than a figure. If anyone can provide some figures or has experience in this field please make a comment.
    Thanks.
    Dave
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2008 edited
     
    Hi David. No experience of using it myself but there is a detailed calculation method for decrement factor in CIBSE Guide A - Not for the faint hearted though.
    • CommentAuthorDEA David
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2008
     
    Sorry for the delay, thanks very much for the info Mike. Just been to the SIP technical talk at Millenium Point and the subject didn't come up, I think it is accepted that solar gain control and HRV are necessary with SIP construction as the airtightness combined with impressive u-values can lead to overheating in summer months.
    Thanks again.
    • CommentAuthorMatt
    • CommentTimeOct 12th 2008
     
    Posted By: DEA David I think it is accepted that solar gain control and HRV are necessary with SIP construction as the airtightness combined with impressive u-values can lead to overheating in summer months.


    And the very short decrement delays due to very lightweight construction.

    Just been talking with our tech guys this week about some of this - we had some European 'active' U-values (no, I hadn't heard of them before) that combines the U-value, Y/psi values and the decrement delay into one 'Active U Value' - apparently its common on the continent. It suggest (rightly) that a buildings walls and roofs real life performance are a combination of things, not just out UK obsession with U-values. Produces some eyebrow raising figures between systems...

    I thought decrement delays were not any harder than a U value to calculate - we all did them as staff training once. I will dig out my notes on Monday. I am fairly sure that a version of Usai can calculate them as well.

    Can I say, I would have thought as a SIP manufacturer, this technical knowledge should be available.....? :confused:
    • CommentAuthorDEA David
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2008
     
    Sadly you are right, u-value and airtightness appear to be the only things measured with MMC; to have a truly energy efficient home or building the use of SIPs forms one of several elements (including thermal mass) that must be considered as a whole. You may find this interesting: http://squ1.com/system/files/CIBSE+Factor.pdf

    FYI I am involved in manufacturing rather than engineering, SIPs are produced according to the engineer's specifications there my invlovement, though not my interest, ends. We have yet to reach the stage were SIPs are bought off the shelf despite the fact they have been used for decades! I would be interested to see your decrement notes though as the whole industry is rather new to me.
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