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    Hi,
    I'm a new member who is hoping to buy a smallholding betwixt and between Haverford West and Milford Haven for family only occupation on fourteen acres. The major change to the house will be the replacement of oil fired heating to solid wood burning stove plus range cooker. We are an extended family and hope to develop one of the four outbuildings into a cottage for a daughter and grand daughter who, due to economic conditions, need a home. No alteration is required to the exterior. A second building I hope to use as a workshop (stained glass design and build) Again no exterior alteration. A third building, a very large double height hay barn, we would like to create an office and workshop within the existing structure. Apart from dogs and cats we would propose to keep chickens and cultivate an area for vegetable growth. We are very keen to be as self sufficient as possible re: services and would like to sink a borehole for water supplies. Any tips or recommendations regarding any of the above will be received with thanks.

    Sheila Kitrick
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2008 edited
     
    If it's essential that you convert the outbuilding you should check out the chances of getting planning permission before completion.

    Are the outbuildings close to the house (eg within the "garden") or further away (eg clearly in the agricultural part). That might affect your chances. In the long term it would be financially best to try and get PP to convert them as "seperately occupied dwellings" rather than as "Granny annex" or some other use "incidental to the main house". This is because at some point in the future you might wish to sell or give the outbuildings to the daughter/grand daughter, or perhaps even someone else. It may seem unlikely now but worth considering.

    It's likely you would also need PP for "change of use" for the workshop unless you can show it's been used for something similar for at least 10 years (I forget the exact period but it's longer than the normal 4 years).

    You should also check the deeds for covenants that might prevent you doing all this or make it too expensive.

    You should also get all the buildings surveyed and tell the surveyor. If any of the buildings are in poor condition you need to know if they will have to be demolished and rebuilt rather than converted. This is important because getting planning permission for demo and rebuild it much harder. As soon as a building is knocked down the planners treat the replacement as a "new building in the countryside" which is against their religion.

    Check out the availability of services. For example just because the house has electricity doesn't mean you can automatically build and connect two more houses and an office. Might need a new transformer or something. Ditto the telephone and drainage if applicable.

    Good forum for everything selfbuild here..

    http://www.ebuild.co.uk/cgi-bin/forums/discus.pl

    Essential reading:

    "How to get planning permission" and "How to find and buy a building plot" both by Roy Speer available from Amazon.
  2.  
    Thank you for very informative comments CWatters. Three buildings are close to the house, one stable block and one substantial pitched roof building, one side stables the other side office. The third a very large garage. The only building away from the house is the large hay barn. I think the proposed 'family cottage' and office situated in the haybarn would certainly need their own power supplies even though in the medium term they would be part of the smallholding and not seperate entities. I guess if we can sell our present property and therefore proceed with a purchase of this particular property we would have everything surveyed at the same time as the main house. Thank you again for progressing thoughts on this. The other slightly unusual thing is the oil tank appears to be contained within a compartment of the house itself: we would be more comfortable with moving it away from the house, although academic, if we convert to multi fuel. Has anyone else come across an oil storage tank inside a house?
    Sheila Kitrick
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    You may have to finesse you planning application for residential conversion, given the absurd ruling by the Welsh Assembly Government that agricultural buildings may only be converted to 'economic units' - it. workshops, holiday lets and the like. You may have to hint to the planners that you're developing a holiday let rather than come clean and say it's for residential purposes. There is an exemption for 'affordably homes' and for special cases, but I suggest you have a quiet word with a local architect before committing yourself to the planning process.
    It's a ridiculous ruling, and one which many of us in Wales are lobbying to overturn.
    • CommentAuthorhowdytom
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2008
     
    Its the same in England, Gervase, we have two stone barns opposite the house, when I asked the planners for possible uses they stated that it would be OK for holiday let (and may even attract a grant) but not for residential use, even local let, they said that it would be 'a drain on the local resources' !!!!. This was several years ago, things may have changed but I doubt it. Around here they are only letting new housing development within four town centres, so local village schools will close and more transport to the towns will have to be provided, the village populations around here will(already have) reduce in family's and be replaced with second/holiday homes(Its a vicious circle). I assume those in power what it this way thus providing them with holiday homes ?. We need a major change in planning and fast.
    1. All holiday let should be triple rated 50% of which should go to the local community affected, to help keep their services, amenity's and infrastructure viable
    2. People should be allowed to develop one property for their own use (self build or community build).
    When I look around the countryside I see several conversions by "the gentry" including barn conversions in open sites, mansions on green fields, then young couples wanting to self build being told there's no local justification !!! As they say 'money talks' !
    It makes my blood boil, but if We kick-up then they'll find a way of shutting us up..... bring on the revolution:devil:
    end of rant
    tom
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2008
     
    My strategy is to give no hint of intentions, make no prelim enquiries to Planners. In secret, work up a superb scheme and exceptional presentation, leave no stone unturned to mark yourself out as very different from the average dross the planners are faced with. Fit in with the rules to the extent of finding out what all the boxes are and ticking them very clearly, or if not, justifying clearly why not, hopefully in the wider public interest. But don't expect anybody incl the Planning Officers (with honorable exceptions) to read more than a dozen words of anything before making up their mind! Make the application and simultaneously have a campaign to personally present the plan to everyone - neighbours, local amenity group, local green/energy/Transition Town groups, Chairman of Parish Council, District Ward Councillors including Planning Committee Members, Council sustainability liaison Member etc. Then even if they oppose it at least they'll be opposing the real thing, not some version they've made up. You'll soon find out everyone's bizarre prejudices! Councillors are often worse than Planning Officers, in wanting to rigidly enforce 'guidelines' as gospel. Just make yourself look as different as possible, determined, justified and unstoppable. Meet the Planning Officer on site, just keep insisting on the common-sense rightness of your plan, wait, and maybe he'll just give an inch and then you'll know which way to make that a mile, compromise and at least get a foot-in-door Consent, then come back for more. If it's not working, try to get a Councillor to get it 'called in' to be considered by full Committee, not decided by Delegated Officer power. Have someone honest, competent and likeable address the Committee for the allotted 3mins - the Committee can vote to over-rule the Officer's recommendation. But be prepared to go to Appeal, and for that hire the most hard-boiled elderly gamekeeper-turned-poacher Planning Consultant, who will charge you a lot for one sheet of killer A4 and laconic presence at the Hearing (you can tell I have someone in particular in mind!). The consultant won't want to get involved until you've achieved a Refusal, but he may just give you a valuable hint of the key principle to plug, in your Application. At all times be clear that your scheme is a no-brainer for the public good - any scheme should in fact be that. Good luck!
    • CommentAuthorjoe.e
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2008
     
    It's not in the Pembrokeshire Coastal National Park is it?
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