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    • CommentAuthorpyrogaz
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2007
     
    We had a couple of friends visit recently and whilst chatting got onto the subject of reducing electricity consumption, at which point I showed them what we have done on the house we are currently building, which we also did on our previous build. They reckoned it was an excellent idea so I thought I would share it!

    Like many other folk we try to be conscientious about fully turning off appliances that have a standby function when turning in for the night, but the nature of these sort of devices means you're usually crawling under desks, fighting through a tangle of cables, and wondering if you're going to accidentally unplug the alarm clock and have to spend ten minutes resetting it. Our solution was to duplicate the socket circuits, one is generally used for devices with a standby mode and its twin for "normal" devices and those which we don't wish to turn off; the standby circuit has a master switch installed in our bedroom so last thing at night simply flick the switch and 4 TV's, 4 Freeview boxes, 5 PC's, 3 printers, 1 server, 3 DVD's, 2 VCR's, 1 microwave, 3 Hifi systems and numerous other devices are completely shut down. I should mention that we never use the VCR for recording so not a problem that they lose their clock settings overnight, and the DVD recorders are a bit more clever and don't lose their settings, so I'm not a masochist!

    It might seem overkill to install extra circuits but the cost was just under £140, yes we have a lot of sockets, and we have little red dots stuck on those on the "standby circuit" to indentify them; but a quick check with a meter showed that we were drawing over 400 watts prior to switching off at night. Even if the circuit is only off for 6 hours each night it equates to about £85 per year, add in a couple of weeks holiday and you're knocking on the door of £100, so the pay back is very short.
    • CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2007
     
    Great idea.
    Another I have heard of is installing a short 2nd circuit in the kitchen which is not connected to the ELCB side of the consumer unit to create a "protected" circuit for fridges & freezers in the event that a TV or toaster trips the fuse.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2007
     
    How much is your electric bill? I think that you figures for the savings are too high and above the cost of electricity for leaving things on as opposed to on standby. None the less it is a great idea.
    • CommentAuthordesertlime
    • CommentTimeMay 11th 2007
     
    Really I think that the best thing is that governments should limit standby functions, except for critical items.
    Personally, I have no problem walking over to the tv to turn it on manually.
    The Stereo is more of a problem, in that it is not possible to turn off the standby except by unplugging which is a hassle.
    Timers on the powerpoints are ok, but dont allow for random times for using things.

    I dont know how well it would go down, but a ban on imports and sales of all standby items sounds like a good idea to me.
    Any comments?
    • CommentAuthorpyrogaz
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2007
     
    Tony. The circuit was drawing 1.86amps on average ( I checked it 4 times but the readings were very close) before switching off:

    1.86a X 230v = 428w

    0.428KW x 6 (hours) x 365 (days) = 937KWH

    937 x 0.0944 £/kwh= £88.45

    This is exact, I'd estimated the previous figure.

    We use CF lightbulbs throughout and absolutely no electric heating. The chest freezer was in the garage and had PU insualtion offcuts glued to the outside!. The total electricity bill was around £390.

    The most scary items are the Freeview boxes, all four combined drew 130watts!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2007
     
    A few other points

    1) All this " wasted " electricity finishes up inside your home as heat.

    2) The power consumptions do seem incredibly high for things on standby.

    3) A friend of mine cut out all the LED s from all his things as they seem to draw a lot of juice.

    4) I think you are on to a good GREEN thing here push it hard for us.
    • CommentAuthorGuest
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2007
     
    Tony wrote "1) All this " wasted " electricity finishes up inside your home as heat."

    Yeah, heat from electricity! Far better to have to fill the gap with more sustainable fuels, even gas....
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2007
     
    I would rather use the gas, which you so easily burn, as a chemical feed stock than as a fuel. ( get out of that one )
    • CommentAuthorfuncrusher
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2007
     
    A similar idea I have implemented: a duplicate circuit for off-peak electricity. This is energised by a 100 amp capacity contactor into a second consumer unit, with the contactor controlled by a timer. Cost of second-hand kit less than £50.

    Advantages (1) very cheap electricity to operate items like tumble driers, immersion heaters, washing machines at night. (2) Green gains because this helps re-balance the grid generators. Generators running at low capacity overnight have poor efficiency, so raising capacity utilisation will improve overall carbon footprint efficiency (3) ultimately, we help cut the total power station build, by using existing capacity more efficiently.

    NB you need a high capacity contactor - at least 60A -because motorised items create large inductive loads when they kick-in simultaneously. On no account should you plug a large item, easpecially a motorised one, direct into a plug-in timer, even one with a 13amp rating.
    • CommentAuthorarthur
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2007
     
    Do you only switch all those standby appliances off at night? Why not just get into the habit of switching everything off at the socket after you use it. Why have a microwave on all day when you use it for maybe 3 minutes in the evening.

    "On no account should you plug a large item, easpecially a motorised one, direct into a plug-in timer, even one with a 13amp rating."
    I didn't know that - there must be a lot of people doing it.
    • CommentAuthorfuncrusher
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2007
     
    Arthur: my scheme is not aimed at the standby problem, but the much larger problem of using generating capacity more efficiently - and saving a lot of money into the bargain. Just about all 'green energy' - including nuclear- is generated 24/7, so we need to adapt to maximise its use. Otherwise we are wasting it at night and generating extra from fossil fuels instead in the day! The more off-peak is used by consumers, the greater the matching of demand and green supply, and the greater the incentive for suppliers to install green generators.

    Regarding contactors: cheap plug in timers do not have suitable contact switching for either high current loads or inductive surges. Even for small loads their operational life is limited. An industrial contactor is essential for any substantial scheme - see Ebay to purchase.
    • CommentAuthorpatrick
    • CommentTimeMay 18th 2007
     
    very good idea. But it hilights the inflexibility of ring mains.
    I am planning an instlation in a small cottage where everything is radialy wired back to a patch pannel (same principal as a computer network). This means that any socked can be added or removed from the "stand by circuit" at will.
    OK it will be heavy on wire but it is only a small cottage. Radial wiring would be daft in a large house.
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