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    • CommentAuthortintin81
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2008
     
    Ok, I am newbie to this site. I am begging for your advice already!!!

    I have outline planning permission for a storey and a half house in the highlands of scotland. I am now moving to the detailed planning application and am considering my options for building materials etc. I will be building a 4 bedroom house so its like to be quite big and has an excellent unrestricted south facing position. Enough land for heat pump.

    If you were in my shoes, which of the technologies would you seriously consider installing and what about the structure? I am little overwhelmed at the moment. For example;
    Use ventilation heat recovery?
    Air or ground heat pump?
    U value of insulation, materials of construction and thicknesses???
    Collect rainwater or not?
    Triple glazed or not?
    Where to buy from to keep costs reasonable???

    Like the the subject states, I need to know where to start.

    Thanks in advance,
    Tintin

    :confused:
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    Use ventilation heat recovery?

    Yes
    Air or ground heat pump?

    Maybe not either - build so tight you need only a wood-burner/SWH

    U value of insulation, materials of construction and thicknesses???

    Look at PassivHaus. Code for Sus homes requires even more onerous u values at higher levels but seems to achieve less - detailing is so important.

    Collect rainwater or not?

    Yes!
    Triple glazed or not?

    Why not? Passivhaus would say yes, yes, yes.

    Where to buy from to keep costs reasonable???

    That's a more tricky one. Establishing a good rapport with a few local merchants (general bldg, insulation etc) is often better than discounting about everywhere.

    Nick
    • CommentAuthortintin81
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2008
     
    Excellent thank you Nick.

    I have been following the passivhaus requirements and think that this is the method that I will go with. It's just so difficult to get honest advice from suppliers who, for obvious reasons only recommend the kit the can supply.

    Anyone know if there is passivhaus suppliers in Scotland?
    • CommentAuthorJulian
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2008
     
    Hi tintin

    Use ventilation heat recovery? YES - but house should be as airtight.

    Air or ground heat pump? Probably not - depending on your occupation of the house it may be better for continuous background heating. As Nick says build tight and insulate insulate insulate.

    U value of insulation, materials of construction and thicknesses??? That's a big question - depends what you're doing/can afford. How about timber frame 300mm thick with warmcel insulation? Timber frame can be cost effective and low impact - depending where timber is sourced from. Or look at straw bale elswhere on this forum. As Nick says look at passivhaus and code for sustainable homes.

    Collect rainwater or not? YES - you'll save on your water bills for a start.

    Triple glazed or not? YES. Look up 3g and triple glazed windows elsewhere on this forum for manufacturers / suppliers. Even roof windows can be triple glazed.

    Where to buy from to keep costs reasonable??? Generally, get onto your local merchants and ask what discount they'll give you. For insulation (rigid boards such as Kingspan) I buy a lot from a firm who sell surplus and (ever so slightly) edge damaged boards. The damage is never a problem as you tend to cut the boards anyway. Google insulation seconds and you'll find one or two firms.
    • CommentAuthorjoe.e
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2008
     
    Is it very rural - are you going to be on mains water? Saving rainwater might be a bit pointless in a very wet climate. I live in West Wales, and our water comes from a borehole; given our position on the side of a very wet hill with only a few houses nearby, water supplies are more or less unlimited in practice.
    Again, if it's rural I'd go for a woodburning stove or boiler rather than any type of heat pump - simpler, cheaper.
    i would definitely go for triple glazing; I also quite like the idea of having windows no wider than twice the wall thickness, so that you can fit internal insulated shutters that fold back against the reveals rather than having curtains.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2008
     
    Not too much glass as this represents huge heat loss potential.

    U values walls less than 0.1 please -- roof less again .

    Avoid diddly or tricky details.

    Go for solid construction -- medium density blocks, 300mm fibrous batts for insulation -- rain screen local stone? ( free? )

    Roof insulation 350mm minimum quilt.

    May not need as much heating as you think so get a model done and work out heat loss then tailor your requirements to that

    The bigger the heating system the more it costs and the more it costs to run

    Invest in insulation and air tightness (less than one for this result if you can)

    Hope it goes well.
    • CommentAuthortintin81
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2008
     
    Wow. The response is more than I could have expected.

    I am in a fortunate position where I can get the labour very very cheap and the kit manufactured from scratch for me. Therefore I can spend a little more making it airtight. I really appreciate people who are giving me names of kit that they recommend. Heat pumps are being heavily promoted where I am, but I have my own reservations about these long term.

    Ok anyone care to add something they know now that they really wish they did at the start of build???

    Trying to make this useful for all other people.

    Many many thanks
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2008
     
    Think
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    Think an=bout buffer zones, and passive solar heat collectors, provided you have enough thermal mass.
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    Before you get in to the materials you need to look at the best part of the site to put the building, work out the passive solar design, look at entrances in sheltered elevations and depending on the size look at how you will use the spaces through the seasons to make best use of the solar gain, and perhaps whether some rooms will form a warm core that you retreat to more in the colder months.

    Theres also a thread on here somewhere about good books to look at.

    J
    • CommentAuthorMatt
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2008
     
    In Scotland I wouldn't bother with rainwater - what you save in water bills you will pay in increased energy cost to run the pumps etc, and increased carbon and massive increased install cost.

    And James suggestion is best - then work down from your site, form and orientation.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeNov 2nd 2008
     
    Having built our house not that long ago there are a few things I would do differently..

    We installed a vent system with heat recovery for the first time and would now consider some sort of system essential. Works very well at improving air quality and eliminating condensation.

    We installed Oil fired UFH and thermal store in a bit of a hurry. If I was doing it again I would fit a larger thermal store with several additional coils and dump the oil boiler. I'd want the store to have coils for a GSHP, solar panels (summer) and a back boiler on the wood burner (winter). I'd keep the UFH as that works well with a low temperature heat sources. If mains gas was available I'd install a gas boiler instead of a GSHP but retain the ability to instal a GSHP later.

    I might also look at adding air ducts to my "insert" type wood burner to allow it to heat other rooms - possibly just the rooms immediatly above.
  4.  
    I'm not getting any kick back from Keith for saying this but buy the Green Building Bible ... and read it. £17.00 squiddish for the pair and money well spent (if you read it). I've bought these but haven't read them. My reason is 1) it's too late (for me) now and I'd really rather not know what I should have done and haven't and 2) I'm saving them for a topping off gift to the archi who is a sympathetic but novice green. My cursory perusal leads me to wish I'd read the books before I started.
    • CommentAuthorcaliwag
    • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2008
     
    Free notes for value/use of site and space...create your responsive brief

    http://www.ebuild.co.uk/forums/messages/11010/11010.html?1225227248
    • CommentAuthortintin81
    • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2008
     
    Thanks very much Caliwag. Downloaded and will read over the next couple of nights.

    Mrswhitecat, I have order both volumes now, and should get them shortly.......I found the Irish Passive House Spec very useful too from Sustainable Energy Ireland. Well worth a read.
    • CommentAuthorwookey
    • CommentTimeNov 3rd 2008
     
    You missed out solar DHW - essential for a new build as you have plenty of south. That goes very well with wood burner, large buffer store, UFH. Design in enough space for the store in the floorplan.

    Tony said 'not too much glass' due to heat loss. That's true up to apoint but also good potential heat gain. I guess it's not very sunny in scotland in winter and the days are short, but what glass there is should be on the south side - tiny windows on the north. Overhang to avoid summer overheating. Find someone who knows about this for your lattitude.

    Like everyone else said - go potty on the insulation, get the airtight details right, install a very small heating system. This doesn't _have_ to be really expensive but you will need to work on finding reasonably priced options (plenty of people wil sell you very expensive solar, doors, windows, stoves etc if you let them). This forum is a powerful antidote to overcharging.
    • CommentAuthorcaliwag
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2008
     
    Interesting how "where to start" doesn't quite get the juices flowing. I would have thought that this should be the most exciting thread. Everybody
    starts with a notion and and a grand idea...and needs advice, or at least support.
    OK. A couple has bought a wrecked bungalow (the best way to pick up a plot)
    what next...architect or what? I ask the question. Where do people go?
    • CommentAuthorTerry
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2008 edited
     
    as mentioned above go potty on insulation & airtightness - but .....................
    most builders in the UK have no idea what this means so even if you can get the labour cheap, you need to ensure that they understand how to insulate properly and how to ensure airtightness, else you will very quickly be losing any labour savings in ongoing energy costs. It is not rocket science, but needs careful detailing - something most builders dont seem overly worried about.
    Also, all suggestions above are covered in numerous threads on this forum, so do a search of the individual topics
    • CommentAuthorndon
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2008
     
    well, I agree with pretty much every thing already said, but will reiterate, INSULATION INSULATION INSULATION, and as wookey said, allow from the outset to incorporate a LARGE thermal store, this will couple well with UFH, upstairs will most likely not require heating if the insulation and airtightness are up to spec.

    Ensure that you have adequate thermal mass in the building, but ensure that it is isolated from the cold ground below.

    I would be sceptical of the benifits of rainwater recovery in a wet climate, beyond a small volume for gardening purposes.

    Do you have woodland on your land?

    DO include solar water heating, it is cheap for what it does.

    Ventilation withh heat recovery is essential if your air tightness is up to scratch.

    Triple glazing - absolutely, but ensure that the frames are well installed, as triple glazing with draughty reveals is a waste.

    Beware of the usual gravy train of command that people get sucked into, architects, main contractor, site agents etc etc, they can all have a part to play, but be aware.

    Brandon.
    • CommentAuthorsallyb
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
     
    have you looked on youtube at the earthship videos? Fascinating stuff with lots of ideas you may find useful
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
     
    I agree, pretty much, with all of the comments above but would add:

    -- Use ventilation heat recovery?

    Airtightness is on a par with insulation in importance. Assuming it's good then once you get to any sensible level of insulation (say at least twice as good as building regs though a bit more would be better) it is far cheaper, per W·K⁻¹, to use heat-recovery ventilation than to add more insulation so that's pretty much of a no-brainer.

    You're talking about a fairly large house so this is likely to be more significant than with some as conductive heat-loss goes with the surface area of the building (r²) whereas ventilation requirements go with the volume (r³).

    -- Air or ground heat pump?

    As has already been said, maybe. Assuming yes, the heating load should be low enough that the cost of ground source isn't justified. Is there water accessible from the site to make water source feasible?

    -- Collect rainwater or not?

    How far are you from the grid, i.e., how much will mains water connection cost? The cost of a rainwater system rises steadily as you move from just gardening to lavatory flushing to bathing to potable. There's a balance to be struck depending on the initial cost of the mains connection and the cost per cubic metre of water. The book The New Autonomous House by Brenda and Robert Vale has good discussions of a complete rainwater system (off-grid, including potable) for a house in a small town in Nottinghamshire and also of the systems used on islands off New Zealand.
    • CommentAuthorsinnerboy
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2008 edited
     
    Subscribe to Construct Ireland

    http://www.constructireland.ie/Subscribe.html

    And check out the forum there too - quite similar to this one

    ( strange bloke named sinnerboy can be found there too :wink: )
    • CommentAuthoraviatrix
    • CommentTimeNov 20th 2008
     
    This is very interesting as we have too just secured a plot and are at the where to start stage. Can someone clarify the 'heat store' concept referred to. We probably plan to build cavity block as that is about the only method builders here are familiar with and will provide good thermal mass.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
     
    300 wide cavity then
    • CommentAuthorGotanewlife
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2008 edited
     
    Heat store aka thermal store = (invariably) large tank of water, large when using for space heating means (ish) 1500-3000ltrs, coils/external heat exchangers to get heat in and out. Hence need for planning where to put it early on in process.

    I'm no pro at this but it is hard to believe how a good new design iaw suggestions above could justify a heat pump - just a rather beautiful cassette type pull down glass front wood fire with a back heat exchanger for me mmmmmmm.

    A note on practicality - I like glass, in fact most people like glass (some secretly!) especially with a wonderful aspect - it is easier and more purely 'green' to have poky windows but if it were me I would design in solutions to lots of nice glass rather than live in the dark. Also, more glass=more (or when its tough easier) resale value. (don't anyone shoot me for generalising either - it is a fact). Finally, I have lived in Scotland, north coast, I do remember a few days once when it was hot - but designing in overheat protection, especially big overhangs? - .......:rolling: Just another opinion.
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
     
    Collect rainwater? What, in the Scottish Highlands? In my experience getting rid of rainwater is a higher priority.
    • CommentAuthoraviatrix
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
     
    So, this heat store, how is it heated? (sorry if that is a basic question) Can you expand on how the heat is captured - where from - and how it is redistributed, and anything else for that matter.
    Thanks
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    Aviatrix - yup its a bassic question alright and for sure tintin81 (thread starter) knows the answer, so it would be better if you did some searches on the forum for things like 'thermal store', 'coils', 'solar store' and 'heat exchagers', which will bring up a lot....then you might start a thread with some more specific questions.
    • CommentAuthoraviatrix
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2008
     
    ok point taken, will do.
  6.  
    No offence meant aviatrix - I'm just a newbie and I would have appreciated some pointers myself.
   
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