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    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2008
     
    Has anyone on the forum built to code level 6?
    If so, what did you use for the founds?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2008
     
    about to -- on a basement mine will be 6+
    • CommentAuthorMatt
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    tell us more tony!
    • CommentAuthorjon
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    Also about to
    We went through all the foundation options for the site to assess carbon content and lifetime emissions (ignoring BRE guidance as it's not suitable in this instance)
    Unfortunately I'm not at liberty to discuss the site
    • CommentAuthorpmusgrove
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    Why not?
    • CommentAuthorjon
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    That question reminds me of a colleague of mine, 25 years ago who, on a live radio show was asked by a mischievous interviewer why he was required to sign the Official Secret Act. He then proceeded to tell the interviewer why until said host realised it was for real and that he had better cut the conversation short. The telephone call, allegedly, from the Ministry first thing the next morning was, apparently, not one that contained a great deal of praise.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    Matt -- what do you want to know? I m too cynical to pay anyone anything to register it or assess it.

    heavy construction, 300 fibreglass batts outside thermal mass, 450 quilt above ceilings, 3g windows, mitigated thermal bridges.

    Rainwater recycling, hear recovery ventilation, cycle parking, bat boxes , near a buss stop, interseasonal storage, solar collectors, much more...
    • CommentAuthorMatt
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    heating system?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    none needed!
    • CommentAuthorMatt
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    Correct answer :) hence the '?'
    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    All I hear from this is yadder, yadder, yadder!

    What about just answering my question!!! ...........(you knowledgeable boys!) :smile:
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    what foundations are you thinking of? or are you worried about them from an impossible to insulate point of view?

    We have to have them and generally they are concrete though there are other possibilities.
  1.  
    for those building to this level , any idea of your estimated construction costs m2

    or , if you told me that would you have to kill me ?

    cheers Jim
    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    The foundations have been tricky because we can only source concrete that has a grade 'C' rating.
    The one I want is 100% RCA but I can't find a supplier.

    I have the option of going for screed over insulation over 50% GGBS concrete over DPM over blinded virgin aggregate.
    Any improvements on this?
  2.  
    not much help on the foundation side , but would recycled crushed concrete not do as hardcore (£9-12 ton)
    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeNov 26th 2008
     
    Yes, James it would. On the first phase of this development we would have to buy the crushed concrete in (haulage has to be noted), but on the second phase I have a building to demolish....so I would have lots then!

    We have been very fortunate in some ways as we haven't had any waste so far......I have shifted 3000 tonnes of earth without having to cart it off site. (Actually, to be truthful it was a big digger and a dumper!)
  3.  
    3000 tonnes , thats about about 150 grab loaders loads , at £240 each = £36,000 , nice one
    Its a good reward for dealing with your own spoil waste.
    • CommentAuthordelboy
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    Sally - sorry I can't be much help here.

    But Tony, it doesn't sound to me like you're building to Code 6 - by definition of Code 6 at least. For a start, the energy part is calculated in SAP and unless someone knows different, SAP doesn't allow you to NOT have a primary heating system (rightly or wrongly). Also I'm not sure that SAP or the Code has capacity to process interseasonal storage, so that wouldn't be relevant either.

    Furthermore, the fact it's near a bus stop is irrelevant under the Code (believe it was different with Ecohomes but not 100% on that).

    Finally if it's a new-build basement flat, that's possible to achieve a Code level, but if the basement is either not new-build, or it's part of a house, then this isn't eligible for the Code individually, and the whole house would have to be assessed - not just part of it.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    Delboy, I don't think Tony's talking about assessing only the basement, just that having a basement is relevant to the foundations which is what Sally M asked about.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    Yep new house with basement -- I was being naughty the CSH did take into account buss stops originally but dose not any more.

    This is why I call it Code 6+. It is better than Code 6, Passive Haus, AECB gold etc etc. Dont need SAP to get CSH levels
  4.  
    Are you self assessing the code level, Tony? I'm in favour of self assessment... if its good enough for the Tax Man then why not CSH? Just cross out the "nil" on your certificate and write the appropriate number in (save yourself £2k):bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    I am yes -- none of it is difficult. There is no way I am going to pay loads of money to get it done either I dont particularly need it except I want low or no bills
    • CommentAuthordelboy
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    OK misunderstood the basement bit - apologies!

    If it's not being officially assessed, I can see why you don't need SAP, but if you were going for an official Code score, I thought the only way to get credits in ENE1/2/7 was with a SAP assessment. Do you know differently Tony? Would be interesting to hear how! Or am I just taking this all too literally...?
    • CommentAuthor10100
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    you'll need the SAP for the % better of DER over TER as stated for the energy delboy. (where most the points are to)
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    no boiler so no SAP possible!!!!
    • CommentAuthor10100
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    what is heating the dwelling? i understand the no boiler but something must be inputting heat into it :D
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    solar -- passiv gains and interseasonal store + incidentals
    • CommentAuthorSally M
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    Tony,
    Have you subscribed to the Considerate Construction Scheme?

    I have an assessor who is meticulous and asked for evidence of everything, but who is also on my side and wants me to get this.
    I see this exercise as a points mean prizes or mad treasure hunt! I wouldn't have the discipline to make the credits, or go to the lengths that I have had to, if I wasn't being checked. I need to validate the build for myself and also to sell on.

    Sally

    PS Have you got your bike racks with lockable storage, your bat boxes and your hoist from the bed to the bathroom?? (I am guessing this is when self builders get too drunk or fat to walk!) :wink:
    • CommentAuthor10100
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008
     
    could you use any data here http://www.sap-appendixq.org.uk/page.jsp?id=1 for the SAP?
    • CommentAuthordelboy
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2008 edited
     
    Appendix Q does incorporate MVHR which can help SAP scores, but this doesn't negate the need for a heating system in SAP as I understand it (although it certainly could do in real life...).

    But the fundamental point is that, as I understand it, if Tony were to get his house assessed under the Code, it would not achieve Code 6 (or any other score for that matter) because:

    1. A Code score needs a SAP assessment
    2. A SAP assessment needs a primary heating system entered, and MVHR is not accepted as a primary heating system by SAP.

    However, it doesn't sound like he needs to perform a Code assessment anyway so it doesn't matter - would be interested to know if anyone can explain how you achieve any credits in ENE1/2/7 without a SAP assessment (I'm pretty sure you can't)
   
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