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    • CommentAuthordazdread
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2015
     
    Not sure how data protection factors into this Steamy tea, there will be no PII on there for external consumption just a thermal image of a house.

    This is only intended to be a broad brush attempt at looking at the thermal efficiency of various homes and give the ability to approach home owners of the worst offending properties, such as ones with brightly glowing roofs... although as quite rightly pointed out before they might have a weed factory up there!

    Any recommendations on Cameras that could be used for this project?
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2015
     
    If I was buying for my own use I would get one of the inexpensive smartphone connected cameras - Seek Thermal or FLiR ONE. On the ebuild forums JSHarris has the former, you should be able to see his images in his blog.

    I don't think those are "professional" grade so how well they'll work for imaging lots of houses in high detail I'm not sure...

    Remember there are also transition groups around you can hire from, or pay for hiring from plant firms. I paid £130ish last year for a weeks hire of a FLIR i3. It worked but very narrow field of view. I would definitely purchase the above cameras for a bit more these days.
    • CommentAuthordazdread
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2015
     
    We are indeed a transition group :o)
    • CommentAuthorrhamdu
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2015
     
    Posted By: dazdreadNot sure how data protection factors into this Steamy tea, there will be no PII on there for external consumption just a thermal image of a house.


    Has this ever been tested in court? I don't think the data protection act was drafted with thermal imaging in mind. My personal view is that thermal imaging has more in common with conventional photography than with, for example, tuning into somebody's wifi (the next bit of the electromagnetic spectrum). But there could be ingenious legal arguments either way.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2015
     
    Posted By: rhamduMy personal view is that thermal imaging has more in common with conventional photography

    I suspect that's about right. I think any personal information might be associated with the release that you get in order to show that you had in order to take the picture from within the private property, since that will probably include a name and address as well as a signature.
    • CommentAuthordazdread
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2015
     
    The only intention is to display the street view of the house so the same as Google street view in that respect.

    The idea is to team up with a new project started here offering help to homeowners by contacting and referring homes with obvious issues. Any internal images would be the property of the home owner or stored in a private account that they would have to subscribe to.

    Still wondering if there are any camera recommendations out there.
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2015
     
    How much do you have to spend? They vary a lot.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2015
     
    You can borrow mine but it is only half mine, I live in the central Thames valley.

    How about satellite ir
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2015
     
    Posted By: dazdreadThe idea is to team up with a new project started here offering help to homeowners by contacting and referring homes with obvious issues.
    Then you definitely need to register for data protection. Your not allowed to just collect data and contact people these days.
    https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/register/
    • CommentAuthordazdread
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2015
     
    Thanks Steamy tea, the second organisation is already registered, I will enquire further before we do anything.

    Hi gravelld. We are going to apply a grant for the whole thing, I have ear marked £6K on the application but would rather spec and cost the appropriate camera before making the application.

    Thanks for the offer Tony but we are in Leicestershire and I don't think our budget stretches to launching a satellite... just think of the pollution!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2015
     
    The satellite is already there and probably has ir imager on board all you need is access to the images, I suppose that they may not be of sufficiently high resolution yet but the will come and I am expecting public domain.
    • CommentAuthorbillt
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2015 edited
     
    Our council (Shropshire) have recently done aircraft based thermal mapping of the big towns in the county, with the aid of a government grant. See http://shropshire.gov.uk/private-sector-housing/aerial-thermal-survey-for-shropshire/ , the interactive map is at the bottom of the page.

    As far as I can see it's a complete waste of time and resources. For instance, apparently one of the most efficient building in Bridgnorth is St Mary Magdalene's Church, together with the disused aluminium works.

    Knowing the outside temperature of a building does not relate to its efficiency.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2015
     
    An aerial picture on a snowy day may be more useful.:wink:
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2015
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaAn aerial picture on a snowy day may be more useful.

    But nowhere near as useful as knowing the INTERNAL temperature at the time the photo was taken!
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeDec 19th 2015
     
    At £6k you're above my pay grade! Hopefully someone with experience of those types of devices can comment.

    You're in Leicestershire! Same here. I tried to hire a camera a couple of years ago from a transition group here, never heard back. It'd be good to have some more surveying equipment available.
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    billt, your link doesn't open anymore, I suppose Shropshire Council have taken it down.
    • CommentAuthorbillt
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2016
     
    It probably never did! There was a comma that seemed to be interpreted as part of the URL. I've added a space and it seems to work now.
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2016
     
    Whilst wasting a bit more of my life on the interweb, I found this on Gizmag - might interest anyone looking for a cheaper FLIR camera

    http://www.gizmag.com/flir-thermal-camera-scout-tk-tg130/41228/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=3de83d4b25-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-3de83d4b25-92177821
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJan 9th 2016
     
    • CommentAuthordazdread
    • CommentTimeJan 14th 2016
     
    Billt, that is exactly the kind of map I would like to create. With some usage data to eliminate false positives that map could be very useful... Hmm, a job for a drone maybe?

    gravelld, where abouts are you based... if this comes off then you could certainly have access to it.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeJan 14th 2016
     
    (Off topic, but least irrelevant active thread: noticed Lidl had IR thermometers in today - £14.99)
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