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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
     
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/ethicallivingblog/2009/feb/18/crossway-eco-home-grand-designs-kent

    Apparently this is on Grand Designs this week - thought it might be of interest to the GBF crew as i dont watch tv so it will be interesting to see the response after the show.
    http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/grand-designs/episode-guides/
    • CommentAuthorCassie
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
     
    Gosh -makes mine look really boring, must say though, looks very expensive to put together
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      CommentAuthorbetterroof
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009
     
    Do want.



    That is all.
    • CommentAuthorjules
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    This forum is full of talk about what you ought to do... makes a change to see a real life example - and on mainstream TV - of someone who's actually done it! Mind you, the words "passive" and "house" got mentioned a lot, which is why I'm surprised to see that according to the Guardian article they've got an 11kW biomass boiler. They did say that they expect to make an £1800 profit every year on energy generation, although quite how I'm not sure.
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    Posted By: julesthe words "passive" and "house" got mentioned a lot, which is why I'm surprised to see that according to the Guardian article they've got an 11kW biomass boiler.


    There was a large biomass boiler, and it was shown on one shot during the program, but I didn't see any heating system going in - no underfloor or radiators, although there could have been air heating through the MHRV system.

    Posted By: julesThey did say that they expect to make an £1800 profit every year on energy generation, although quite how I'm not sure.


    Yes, that confused me. There were no obvious signs of large solar PV arrays or wind turbines, and £1800 takes a lot of electricity generation on a domestic scale.

    I can only assume that the biomass boiler is somehow being used to create electricity rather than heating. Is there a reasonably efficient way of doing this on a domestic scale?
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    BTW, nice as it was to look at, wasn't that roof a huge thermal bridge? The inside skin of the roof was exposed to the inside of the house, and as far as I could see carried straight through to the outside where it was exposed to the air on both surfaces. Perhaps there was an insulating break, but it wasn't obvious.
    • CommentAuthorbrig001
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    You can see some kind of solar array between the front windows and the top of the curved roof. Even if it is PV, it doesn't look enough to generate £1800/year.
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    Posted By: brig001You can see some kind of solar array between the front windows and the top of the curved roof. Even if it is PV, it doesn't look enough to generate £1800/year.


    They appear to be some special panel that provides both PV and thermal at the same time.....

    http://www.newformenergy.com/photo-voltaic-thermal-panels.html

    Still only looks like about 4m2 though - surely nowhere near enough to generate £1800 profit.
    • CommentAuthorPete1951
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    I was lucky to be able to visit Richard at Crossway three weeks ago just before the final Grand Designs filming. I had a two hour chat with him about the PassivHaus features. If I remember correctly it has a hybrid SHW and PV system linked to a brine phase change heat exchanger. The wood pellet boiler was installed before the hybrid system was known about and so is surplus. The timbral? roof is insulated but I suspect there is some cold bridging.
    The windows and doors are Internorm PassivHaus standard. It's an amazing place. Following is his own site.

    http://crossway.tumblr.com/
    • CommentAuthorGHC
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    Cant wait to catch this one on repeat. I'm currently working with a client who is designing a code 5/6 dwelling with zero thermal mass. I'll be the first to admit to not knowing everything about building design, and perhaps i am wrong but I think he needs to watch this episode as well!
    • CommentAuthorbrig001
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    Just had a look at http://crossway.tumblr.com/ there are three more solar panels visible on the second page, so five in total. I would be interested to know what these are. Very impressive build though, but not for me - I'd prefer something a bit more traditional and with closer neighbours/shops etc.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    From the pics on http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/grand-designs/episode-guides the brick arch seems to be filling the space between two glulam (?) arches. So the arches would only have to carry their own weight plus provide lateral (across-span direction) stability, not to carry the roof's dead and live loads - neat. Seems to be two (or more? - see pic 10) 'laminates' of thin, perhaps 50thk extruded hollow clay oversize-format 'bricks' laid with opposite bond directions on centreing (temporary formwork) - the Daily Mail article says 'locally-sourced old-fashioned clay tiles, in place of brick' and 'the arch is less than 5" thick'. So a little bit of insulation because hollow, but where's the rest of the insulation? If continuously overlaid, then no cold bridge - sounds good.

    Mail article says 'solar panels ... generate 3600kWh every year ... make £2000 a year both from selling excess back to the National grid and from grants for those who make their own energy' and 'Heat captured by the solar panels is transferred to a unique (phase-change store which) stores seven times as much energy as a modern boiler, but is much smaller' (sic). Solar panels 'have a ... cooling system ... because ... silicon works most efficiently when cool'. Warm air circulation system. Warmcel wall insulation. Doors vacuum-insulated 'equivalent to 1.5ft of polystyrene'.
    • CommentAuthorjules
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    I think that the central strip of the tile arch was constructed lower than the two periperal overhangs - there's a picture in the Grand Designs picture gallery which shows this. The resultant channel, forming the entire internal ceiling, was then filled up with insulation and on top of that the green roof materials.
    • CommentAuthorjon
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    3600kWh when sold back to the NG is worth about £72 at current buy back rates (if they're lucky). How do they get grants for the remaining £1,928? I remember Simon at Hockerton telling me that they only got about a penny per kWh (a few years back though)
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2009
     
    Haven't seen the programme yet or followed all my googled links but I think I can provide some pointers for the arch. I understand it's a 'timbrel vault', which is made from layers of tiles. The first layer is held together with gypsum plaster and because that sets immediately, the vault can be built with no supports. Subsequent layers add strength and can use different mortars; the end result is very strong. Originating as 'catalan vaulting' in Spain and/or Portugal, it was popularised in the USA by Guastavino with some famous public buildings. There was a recent UK construction - 'Pines Calyx' - and the roof at this Kent house was engineered by Michael Ramage who resurrected the technique in the US while at MIT and is now at Cambridge (England).

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guastavino_tile and http://architecture.mit.edu/class/guastavino/main.html for a good intro.

    So my guess on this house is that the arch could carry all the roof loadings, though I don't know if they've dared! There must also be something providing racking resistance.
    • CommentAuthorAds
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2009
     
    Those who watched the programme will have seen/heard the accidental collapse of part of the timbrel roof, caused, it appeared, by a workman laying a hand or foot on a section and imposing a point loading. The effect of this had been demonstrated earlier in the programme when a 'model' structure was built and Kevin Mcloud and Richard gingerly and carefully stood on the apex of the vault. After that success Richard attempted to stand on it by himself, but slightly off to one side, resulting in an immediate collapse!

    From memory of the programme, there are at least three layers of solid tiles laid at 45 degrees to each other - this can be seen in picture 10 on the Grand Designs website, I can't remember any additional layers (apart from the subsequent waterproofing and mesh for the green roof).

    I can't put my hand on it, but there was a really interesting article in Green Building one or two issues ago about the possible renaissance of timbrel vaulting.

    Still can't see how they generate so much power to net £1800 per annum though.
    • CommentAuthorPete1951
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2009
     
    I was told the power generation payment is based on the new regulations to be introduced by the government in April this year.
    • CommentAuthorStuartB
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2009
     
    What are those regulations Pete?
    • CommentAuthorPete1951
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2009
     
    StuartB, Richard Hawkes mentioned, I think, Hot Rocs. This is because his system generates electricity and hot water from one system. All I have managed to find out is as follows:-

    Under the current regime, one ROC is provided for each MWh of electricity produced from renewable sources, regardless of the type of renewable energy used.
    The main proposal to come out of the Energy White Paper is for Renewable Energy Certificates (ROCs) to be banded depending on the source of energy.
    Established technologies such as landfill gas will have their ROC entitlement reduced to one ROC for every four MWh generated.
    Other technologies, such as onshore wind, will continue to receive one ROC per MWh.
    In a sign of support for less developed technologies such as offshore wind, the ROC entitlement will increase to one-and-a-half ROCs per MWh.
    For "emerging technologies", such as solar power and certain waste-to-energy technologies, the entitlement will be even greater, increasing to two ROCs per MWh.
    Primary legislation will be required to implement the new ROC regime and it is likely that it will start after April 2009.

    http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10170&sid=6f90111d1230f32981e929168922a235

    I hope that is of some help.
    • CommentAuthorSimonH
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2009
     
    Unless I see an explanation somewhere I think he's mixed up pounds with kWh! I can see him getting paid for circa 1,800 kWh of exported electric and a credit for renewable heat, but £1,800 un a HUGE amount from any of the grant schemes. Typically you can get between £30-50 per MWh from ROCs. A typical 1kW peak system will generate a bit less than this but his looked much less than a 1kW System. A typical 1500x800 panel is about 220W at the top end so unless they've got a panel that is about 10 time better than normal his system looks around 500W.

    So unless his PV / solar thermal was generating over 30MWh per year I can't see how he get that much. If he has a biomass system that gerneates heat then there's a flaw in the grant system - he's built a passive house which doesn't require it - and I didn't see any local neigbours who could use it.

    IF he is really getting £1800 a year - not a one off up front payment I'd be interest to heart which scheme it's under.

    Simon
    • CommentAuthorPete1951
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2009
     
    The following is comment from Richard Hawkes on the Grand Designs site.

    The solar panels are actually a combined PV and solar thermal panel calle PV-T (available from Newform Energy) and you could only see 2 of the 7 of the roof. Total area = 26m2 Two panels (8m2)are at 50 degrees for optimised winter solar thermal. The remaining 18m2 are at 5 degrees for optimal summer electrical generation. A fluid in the panels cools the PV cells thus greatly increasing their generating efficiency - the extrated heat is then stored in the worlds first thermal salt phase change thermal store. This is an area the programme didn't have time to cover. For info speak to Newform Energy and The Carbon Free Group. The income from generation comes not only from electricity generation but also from the government's new doubleROCS where money is paid for the generation of on site thermal energy. The figure i stated may vary obviously but the unit rates keep changing and the subsidy terms are not fixed yet i believe. So many things couldn't be covered in the programme - it's only 49 minutes long. Credit for the structure goes to Cambridge Uni and the builder, not the architect - but i don't do the editing. Resin flooring is from South East Coatings in Faversham. We burnt the bungalow because its flimsy 1933 timber stud frame was completely rotten. The asbestos was carefully removed beforehand.
    • CommentAuthorSimonH
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2009
     
    Thanks, it might be possible.... 26m2 will give (on normal panels) somewhere between 3000-4000 kWh per year. So round it up to 5000 assuming these are new super efficient panels. Best export tariff that I'm aware of currently pays 18p / kWh So £900.

    The hot ROC scheme is run by GoodEnergy - not the government -[although the gov have done a consultation proposing a 2p/kWh heat scheme]. Good energy are paying 4.5p kWh. So to get the extra £900 would require 20,000 kWh of heat generation. That's a lot! Even for a 26m2 system. But not sure what it can output as it's new.

    My point would still stand though - what the point of paying someone to generate heat and store it if they don't use it. One answer I came across while trying to google what they used for PCM ... a research project where they collect the heat in PCM slabs, and then ship them elsewhere to a customer as a "heat delivery".

    My guess, is that this house might be airtight and super insulated, but it still losing enough heat to need a top up in the winter?
    • CommentAuthorcookie
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2009
     
    Yes the arch is insulated... its graphite polystyrene insulation, looks like neopor or similar to me... the stuff we put on externally insulated roofs then dump lots of gravel down to stop it blowing off :o)

    Its then got a layer of waterproofing then another layer of tiles to make it look pretty, its clever how the roof edge design hides the thickness of the roof.

    too early in the morning for anything more technical... grrr kids

    Cookie
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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2009 edited
     
    So i guess this might achieve code for sust homes level 5 then, but is not zero carbon in the sense of the hm gov (definition of zc currently under consultation) and hmrc definition.
    I think its interesting to see the contrast on the forum between a thread covering a £half million "eco-house" and then another thread about a guy having lost his battle with planners to keep his self built straw bale house within a self-sufficient smallholding.
    Money talks...
    • CommentAuthorcookie
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2009
     
    Yes ali.gill I agree... its difficult to understand the logic
    • CommentAuthorTuna
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2009
     
    Sadly, when it comes to planning, you have to have some respect for the system. However meretricious a straw bale home may be, if it doesn't fit the local planning policy it would be unfair to claim it has some right to stay. Should we just wave through zero carbon homes? Or charity cases? Or nice people?

    It's not nice to feel that there has to be some feeling of sour grapes just because a house is expensive.

    This also touches on another thread that's been running on this forum recently. Depending on the route you choose, building 'green' can cost, either time or money, or both. It's good to see that some people are in a position to choose that route. It would be nice to feel that ways will be found to bring some of the complexities and costs down so that they can be widely applied. Berating them because their efforts aren't green enough seems somewhat disingenuous.
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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2009 edited
     
    See your point Tuna, just to clarify my criticism is more to do with the media portrayal of the story than the project itself. Planning wise, the crossway property has been criticized by a local resident on the comments section of the guardian or Ch.4 article as a newbuild that is far less suited to the local environment than other recent constructions.
    I dont think 'meretricious' is an appropriate term for low impact straw bale housing. The planning system is far too antiquated to be applied to individuals creating a low impact lifestyle through their own efforts using traditional, low cost, labour intensive building methods.
    With an agenda to construct millions of new dwellings the options are purportedly to get a plot and a minimum £qtr million mortgage funded self build or buy into the national developers eco-homes / eco-towns fiasco.
    With regards Crossway i really pity their new baby as the parents are going to be spending the next twenty years stressing to work in their high income jobs to pay the large mortgage when lifestyle choice could have seen them spending more time raising their child.
    I'm sure a family in a low-cost straw-bale house would manage to get their work-life balance more in tune with the needs of a young child.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2009
     
    Posted By: fostertomSeems to be two (or more? - see pic 10) 'laminates' of thin, perhaps 50thk extruded hollow clay oversize-format 'bricks' laid with opposite bond directions on centreing (temporary formwork) - the Daily Mail article says 'locally-sourced old-fashioned clay tiles, in place of brick'
    I'm told The Mail was right - really is thin clay 'tiles' not hollow 'blocks' - and laid in gypsum. Anyone confirm?
    • CommentAuthorPete1951
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
     
    fostertom, there are three layers of locally produced clay tiles. The first layer is stuck together with Plaster of Paris. The next two layers are laid at 45 degrees to the previous layer and bonded with cement mortar. There are no glulam beams. The supports for the arch are the I-beam walls. Hope that helps.
    • CommentAuthorneelpeel
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2009
     
    Did it occur to anyone else that tearing down a perfectly good house and having a big bonfire isn't really an 'eco' method of building?
   
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