Green Building Forum - Feed In Tariff Mon, 15 Jun 2026 13:27:02 +0100 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=58224#Comment_58224 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=58224#Comment_58224 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:20:31 +0100 Carbon Free Energy
Those having a system installed from Wednesday of this week and April 1st get both the LCBP grant, the full tariff rate of 23p per unit generated and 5p for energy exported to the grid. The FIT is reduced by 3% year on year for the 20 year programme. I should add this tariff is for systems 1.5kW to 15kW.

Not bad but could be better!

However!

Anyone with a turbine already up and running loses the ROC's and goes straight onto a flat rate tariff of just 9p per unit generated and 5p exported.

This is outrageous and considerably less than is available now!!

Consultations are still open on the FIT so how would you all feel about putting some kind of argument forward?

Paul]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=58267#Comment_58267 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=58267#Comment_58267 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:30:14 +0100 ted
I feel the same as you. The proposals have not considered the full implications for existing installations very well at all. The consultation requires the largest possible response from owners to let DECC know what is wrong.

I am currently putting responses together over at www.navitron.org.uk.]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60387#Comment_60387 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60387#Comment_60387 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:04:15 +0100 dbj It just seems rather harsh to penalise the 'renewable pioneers' !]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60404#Comment_60404 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60404#Comment_60404 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:01:26 +0100 GBP-Keith
My personal opinion though is that 'pioneers' should never plan on or expect compensation at a later date.]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60414#Comment_60414 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60414#Comment_60414 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:04:40 +0100 bjd
This is generally a problem, i.e. those who come later in the product development cycle are always likely to benefit from lower costs, more robust design, and in this case greater financial incentive. I guess the early adopters will just have to be smug that they have been saving carbon for longer - which after all is the point.

The problem with the recent announcement is that it leaves out heat for the time being - why can't they get on with it and get that going rather than leaving things uncertain and potentially slowing the market.

Incidentally - I thought the ROC's were still an option for existing installations (I can't find the link to the announcement just now to check) - it was either/or, and not both?]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60431#Comment_60431 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60431#Comment_60431 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:13:28 +0100 Dominic Cooney What about their investment of time and money in fighting planning appeals and making local Councils sit up and take notice?
The free advertising/publicity from having the technologies installed?
The creation of a sense of familiarity for the general public rather than the strange new thing in their area?
The s**t they had to put up with from NIMBY's to make life easier for those that follow their lead in the future?
Their commitment to investing in renewable technologies to encourage 'Green Collar' businesses?
Their continuing support provided to interested enquirers/wellwishers/callers to promote the technologies?

It's a bit like starting a new business and charging your first few customers 3 times more than everyone else.

Posted By: GBP-KeithMy personal opinion though is that 'pioneers' should never plan on or expect compensation at a later date.


It's not a question of planning on it or expecting it, but of saying "Thank you and well done for leading the way, and here is your reward for your hard work and foresight - for making it easier for the rest of us, and for helping to sustain and promote these types of businesses when others doubted them."]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60490#Comment_60490 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60490#Comment_60490 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:24:59 +0100 ted Posted By: bjdIncidentally - I thought the ROC's were still an option for existing installations (I can't find the link to the announcement just now to check) - it was either/or, and not both?

Only for systems over 50kW. The owners can make a once only decision to stay with ROCs or switch over to FITs.]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60570#Comment_60570 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60570#Comment_60570 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:22:29 +0100 jerryclark55 Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60575#Comment_60575 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60575#Comment_60575 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:32:25 +0100 ted
Do you have figures that indicate what tariff you would need to be paid in order to get a 6% return over 25 years (the basis of the tariff for new systems) net of any grant?]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60579#Comment_60579 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60579#Comment_60579 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:20:58 +0100 jerryclark55 A worked example follows based on this years generation of 1850kWh:

Based on the prices in in the table on page 83, I will receive 9p/kWh for everything I generate, and 5p/kWh for half of what I generate (supposed export). This leads to the following:

17.6p/kWh (dual meter daytime rate) on 925kWh/year = £162.80

9p/kWh (feed-in-tariff based on total generation) on 1850kWh/year = £166.50

5p/kWh (export tariff based on 50% of generation) on 925kWh/year = £46.25

This gives a total saving of £375.55 a year. If we divide the net cost of the system (£8315 after deduction of grant) by the annual savings, the payback period is around 22.1 years. We have to bear in mind that the tariffs will be set and will not increase in value. The only change which could reduce the payback time further would be an increase in the price paid for imported power.

If I had installed the system after the proposed scheme was running, the figures would look like this:

17.6p/kWh (dual meter daytime rate) on 925kWh/year = £162.80

36.5p/kWh (feed-in-tariff based on total generation) on 1850kWh/yr = £675.25

5p/kWh (export tariff based on 50% of generation) on 925kWh/year = £46.25

This would give a total saving of £884.30 per annum. If we divide the total cost of the system (£10815 with no grant deducted) by the annual savings, the payback period would be around 12.2 years.

Now, at risk of the sour grapes epithet, I don’t think the proposal is all that fair on those of us who stuck our necks out and installed systems previously. Obviously, accepting that there will no longer be a grant, the generation tariff needs to reflect that for those of us who benefitted in this way, but 9p is just too low. I would suggest somewhere around 20p would be more fair – this would make my payback period about 14 years, still longer than if I had waited, but at least nearer the mark. Perhaps even different rates depending on your type and size of installation for existing systems would be a better idea, as the table suggests for new systems.]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60580#Comment_60580 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60580#Comment_60580 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:21:49 +0100 jerryclark55 Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60581#Comment_60581 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60581#Comment_60581 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:40:19 +0100 DaveOxford
'Microgeneration: we have decided to reduce the complexity for microgenerators that would have been implied by a banded and grandfathered system. All microgeneration stations (50 kW or less) will receive two ROCs per MWh, regardless of technology. Microgenerators will be excluded from any grandfathering provisions placing all microgenerators in this band irrespective of when their plant was installed (including the circa 200 stations accredited in 2006). We also commit to retain this level of support following the first scheduled banding review, planned for 2013. (Paras 2.28 to 2.29)'

TWO ROCs per MWh!, regardless of technology, no matter when the plant was installed. Has this not come to pass? Gov response to RO consultation.

You can download it from:

http//www.berr.gov.uk/files/file43545.pdf

D]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60583#Comment_60583 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60583#Comment_60583 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:42:27 +0100 DaveOxford
http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file43545.pdf

D]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60620#Comment_60620 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=60620#Comment_60620 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:47:36 +0100 Dominic Cooney That is why the price has increased from 4.5p to 9p per MWh - the ROC is still valued at £45 but you get two ROC's for each MWh generated = £90
(if this had not happened I would be losing money now, but that's another story)

I still haven't read the consultation document, I really must get round to it.]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=62198#Comment_62198 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=62198#Comment_62198 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:27:04 +0100 YouGen-Cathy http://www.yougen.co.uk/equal/]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=84862#Comment_84862 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=84862#Comment_84862 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:42:43 +0100 fostertom http://www.yougen.co.uk/blog-entry/1427/Conservatives+support+fair+treatment+for+all+microgenerators/]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=85200#Comment_85200 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=85200#Comment_85200 Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:33:34 +0100 Dominic Cooney Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=86722#Comment_86722 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=86722#Comment_86722 Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:29:52 +0100 StuartB
Example http://www.isis-solar.com/

Seems too good to be true but I can also see how it makes sense for the homeowner and how it is a good business opportunity for these firms. What are the downsides?]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=86723#Comment_86723 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=86723#Comment_86723 Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:33:25 +0100 DamonHD
But basically the FiT is *designed* to encourage innovation and get private capital out there, and these schemes already exist elsewhere in the world, so the main thing is NOT to rush into the first offer you see, but see which suits you best.

As ConsumerFocus says, keep your eyes open and ask lots of questions: http://www.consumerfocus.org.uk/news/go-into-free-solar-panel-deals-with-your-eyes-open-%E2%80%93-warn-campaigners

Rgds

Damon]]> Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=90859#Comment_90859 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=90859#Comment_90859 Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:10:39 +0100 earthshipally Feed In Tariff https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=90878#Comment_90878 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=4292&Focus=90878#Comment_90878 Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:08:21 +0100 marktime
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/sep/30/free-solar-panels-not-bargain

"The rash of free solar panel offers being promoted to householders aren't quite the financial bargain they first appear to be, a consumer rights group warns today.

Using figures from the Energy Saving Trust, Which? reveals that consumers could save as much as £10,500 over 25 years – depending on where in the UK they live – by taking out a loan to buy their own system."

(Interesting H&S pic as well. :bigsmile:)]]>