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    • CommentAuthorwellburn
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2009
     
    Having read every thread, I decided to internally insulate my attic, and having fitted, filled, and sealed to the very best of my ability, - my final task is to seal my freshly PLASTERED ceiling.
    It does break my heart, compared to all the lime restoration I have done elsewhere, but this bit if ecovation requires a final airtight seal.
    Condensation study says GLOSS paint. Don't want to do that, it's inside the house, guests sleep there, even I sleep there if I've had more than XXX beer.
    So I have insulated. airtight sealed. Gypsum plastered, and am still fearful of condensating interstiller moisture lader air, and the computer says GLOSS PAINT to make condensation risk be zero. Keep it all inside.....?
    What can I use ?
    need to treat 1 month old fresh plaster.
    plaster to timberwork joins etc.
    A good coat of gloopy thick oily slop might make the whole thing airtight, but is there anything a little more natural?
    Wellburn??

    PS - If you must question my thinking, - please also recommend an eco non-breathing paint!
  1.  
    Did you leave a vent gap on the cold side of the insulation?

    Gloss paint seems a bit OTT, couple of coats of emulsion would be enough no?

    Gloss will look horrible....::confused:
    • CommentAuthorwellburn
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2009
     
    50mm on cold side. agree gloss would look VERY odd.
    Will emulsion make airtight?
  2.  
    My current much-bandied hypothesis is that as we all start using breathable paints we will start to have even more problems with incorrectly-detailed VCLs than we do now, as we currently tend to 'get away with it' by painting our walls and ceilings with 2 or 3 coats of 'liquid VCL' - vinyl silk. I don't like it, but I really think it lets us geet away with a lot more poor detailing than a permeable paint would.
  3.  
    Use an alkyd primer and then paint with 2 coats of whatever latex matt paint you like. This will form a good VCL. I personally can't stand shiny ceilings - I much prefer dead flat. The surface finish of the paint shouldn't affect its vapour transparency. The alkyd resins in the primer will be your VCL.

    Paul in Montreal.

    p.s. I presume emulsion is the same as what we call "latex" over here? Water-based acrylic resin paint? Even gloss paint over here is water based now largely as I read some companies are going to stop making alkyd based paint altogether
    • CommentAuthorwellburn
    • CommentTimeOct 14th 2009
     
    I have spent an hour at the best local paint shop, - and on technical phone support to Crown uk.
    1 they don't know what 'alkyd primer' is
    2 laytex paints are not available in the UK

    UK emulsion is vinyl based , - but apparently this is not laytex - will it still do the same job ?

    Re primer - they have recommended 'Alkali Resist Primer/sealer' for this job. Apparently it is VERY smelly but I don't know about the volatiles, - will this stink my house out and give us all headaches ?
    Crown recommend wood primer on the wood

    As a top coat Crown recommend Oil Based Eggshell finish paint as best resist to moisture

    All these paints are quite 'chemical' so is this good advice, currently the plaster/joint/gaps are still open so I have a condensation risk. I have to do somthing to finish all the work I have done, - just want to get it right.

    Finally, - is a bathroom/kitchen type emulsion (vinyl silk) adequate ? - not to smelly, fast drying, and made for a steamy moisture laiden enviromnent?
    PLEASE !
  4.  
    1 - just an oil based primer: http://www.house-painting-info.com/alkyd-primer.html
    2 - maybe latex is the North American term for emulsion: http://www.paintcenter.org/rj/may05f.cfm
    However, latex emulsions are thinned by adding water, alkyd emulsions by adding white spirit etc.

    Seems that latex acrylic paints are harder wearing than vinyl paints: http://dundean.com/tips_what_is_latex_paint.shtml

    Over here acrylic latex is available in flat, eggshell, pearl and semi-gloss finishes. I seem to recall from my time in the UK that vinyl paints are either "matt" or "silk" and that only oil paints provided the gloss finishes.

    I would avoid oil based paints if you can, but oil-based primers are supposed to be vapour proof.

    For the sort of primers we have over here, see http://benjaminmoore.com/bmpsweb/portals/bmps_en_ca.portal?_nfpb=true&_windowLabel=contentrenderer_1_3&contentrenderer_1_3_actionOverride=%2Fbm%2Fcms%2FContentRenderer%2FrenderContent&contentrenderer_1_3cnp=public_site%2Farticles%2Fproducts_specs%2Ffp_fh_interior_ca&contentrenderer_1_3np=public_site%2Farticles%2Fproduct_articles_ca%2Fpa_int_primers_premium_ca&_pageLabel=fh_findproducts_ca

    For regular interior paints see http://benjaminmoore.com/bmpsweb/portals/bmps_en_ca.portal?_nfpb=true&_windowLabel=contentrenderer_1_3&contentrenderer_1_3_actionOverride=%2Fbm%2Fcms%2FContentRenderer%2FrenderContent&contentrenderer_1_3cnp=public_site%2Farticles%2Fproducts_specs%2Ffp_fh_int_paints_ca&contentrenderer_1_3np=public_site%2Farticles%2Fproduct_articles_ca%2Fpa_int_collection_ca&_pageLabel=fh_findproducts_ca

    and for low VOC paint see: http://benjaminmoore.com/bmpsweb/portals/bmps_en_ca.portal?_nfpb=true&_windowLabel=contentrenderer_1_3&contentrenderer_1_3_actionOverride=%2Fbm%2Fcms%2FContentRenderer%2FrenderContent&contentrenderer_1_3cnp=public_site%2Farticles%2Fmain_page_articles%2Ffh_findproducts_ca&contentrenderer_1_3np=public_site%2Farticles%2Fproduct_articles%2Fpa_int_natura_ca&_pageLabel=fh_findproducts_ca

    (sorry for the long URLs)

    Hope this helps.

    Paul in Montreal.
  5.  
    Isnt latex called arylic in the UK?
  6.  
    Posted By: bot de pailleIsnt latex called arylic in the UK?


    Seems that, over here at least, latex is just a word to describe an emulsion. It can be made with vinyl resins (cheap and not so hard wearing) or with acrylic resins (more expensive and hard wearing) or a mix of the two. Looks like paint that says "100% acrylic" is best for high traffic areas. I found out, to my surprise, that "latex" doesn't mean the paint has any actual latex in it at all!

    Hope this helps decode some of my earlier posts on this topic.

    Paul in Montreal
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