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    • CommentAuthorOtterbank
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
     
    Hello all
    been enjoying looking thro all the posts.
    I am about half way thro a self build project and am now in the market for an air source heat pump to do the domestic hot water only.I did not go for under floor heating as I did not want to mix it with solid timber flooring, I know it can be done but I just think it is harsh on the timber and anyway timber is not that cold under foot.It is a timber frame kit with 150mm Kingspan in the roof and 130mm in the walls this is over spec for the SAP calcs we had done for building regs.Hope to be able to do without radiators but could run pipe work to cover the possibility.Have been having difficulty in recieving info or quotes from various sources, not replied to e mails or phone messages, must have plenty of work ?? 165 square M with 2 bathrooms any one got any pointers.
    Thanks
    Michael
    • CommentAuthoraa44
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
     
    Are you installing an MHRV system? If not, you could go for an exhaust air heat pump to do the DHW. Nibe and Genvex both do them but I am sure that there are others as well.

    If you are going for an ASHP then several of the companies are crowing about how their systems have inverter compressors which mean that they don't cycle as much and also don't have such a big starting current. Examples are Mitsubishi, Hitachi, Daikin Altherma. I have been doing quite a bit of research on ASHPs recently but haven't chosen mine yet. One thing I have noticed is that the noise levels vary a lot. The best seem to be in the mid 40 dB, with some of the better known makes in the mid 50's which, as I understand it, is twice as loud.

    Sanyo do a system which uses CO2 as the refrigerant and supposedly produces hot water at high temperatures (up to 65C) but it looks expensive to me, ASHP and tank cost about £5,500.
    • CommentAuthorOtterbank
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2009
     
    Yes we are having a MHRV from Regavent , actually one of the first things we purchased. The original plan was to have Panasonic air to air but things are moving on so quickly I am begining to reconsider.I am not convinced of the efficiency of air to air up here in the North Isles of Scotland in the middle of winter. I am now thinking it would be best to go air to water because obviously hot water is required all year and the unit will be working at its best in the summer when room heating will not be so important.I also looked at the NIBE set up which is also around £5000 but message was not replied to.The only guys I have managed to speak to are Thermaflow but it is an electric boiler that can be connected to solar or air and they said I could just blank off the radiator side and it would be ok. They didn't sound too convincing that 's why I thought I would pick the brains here.
    Thanks again.
    • CommentAuthorOtterbank
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2009
     
    No too far away Andrew, right in the middle of the Orkney mainland half way between Kirkwall and Stromness.
    • CommentAuthorunguided1
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2009
     
    I have been installing ecocents for a year now and they would be perfect for your needs.
    regards
    mike
    • CommentAuthorcider
    • CommentTimeNov 9th 2009
     
    Sorry to say but running heat pumps for hw are not efficient! especially all the time!!
    Check the cop at 55 up to 60 c
  1.  
    Posted By: ciderCheck the cop at 55 up to 60 c
    Still better than a straight resistance heater though!

    Paul in Montreal.
  2.  
    Maximum sensible heat output from heat pump is around 55C. Above this, most of them seem to effectively use an immersion heater to get higher temperatures.

    Minimum usable temperature of a thermal store is around 45C - below this it's hard to get water at 40C out of your taps/shower.

    This gives you a headroom of around 10C between your maximum and minimum temperatures. Even with 1400l of store this isn't very much if your peak usage all arrives at the same time, e.g. 4 members of the family all showering within an hour of each other in the morning. This assumes that you can effectively get that 10C uniformly out of the whole tank, which isn't very likely.

    Of course, this depends on your expected usage patterns, and may be different if you all like short showers. I like a good shower to wake up, and am planning for two teenagers in 10 years time when the kids get older. For me, a heat pump doesn't make much sense, but I haven't found a good solution yet.
    • CommentAuthorcider
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2009
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Paul in Montreal</cite><blockquote><cite>Posted By: cider</cite>Check the cop at 55 up to 60 c</blockquote>Still better than a straight resistance heater though!</blockquote>

    What isnt?
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