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    • CommentAuthorbaffled
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
     
    I'm just having new windows fitted in my stone terraced house, built about 1900. I also need some new lintels and cills either because the original are damaged or missing. The builder delivered them yesterday and it was only then I realised he intended to fit concrete rather than stone. I've just discussed this with him and he tells me if I have stone:
    they will split
    he won't guarantee the work
    they will need a metal strip (?) which will be visible
    I'm in a real pickle because they are on with the work now and I need to make a quick decision. He didn't discuss this with me when he came round to do the survey before Christmas!
    Any info/advice much appreciated.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
     
    will they be painted?
    • CommentAuthorbaffled
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
     
    Not painted.
  1.  
    Just some thoughts
    What was on the written quote (did you get a written quote?)when the work was discussed, replacement implies replace with same, repair may not involve replace with same but equivalent.
    Lintels are structural items required to support the load from above. Unless the stone can be shown to be structurally sound for this purpose (i.e. no cracks or flaws that would endanger its strength then the builder (or BC since replacement of a structural item may involve BC??) may be reluctant to fit a stone lintel. (I have absolutely no idea how you could show stone lintel to be structurally sound)) The metal strip to which the builder refers may be a metal supporting lintel to make the stone lintel non structural and remove the problem. A concrete lintel will not have these problems as it can / will contain re-bar to allow structural loads. The sill has no such problems as this is non structural.
    I can understand that the builder would not want to guarantee the stone as this is a natural product over which he has no control but he should guarantee his work of installation if not the stone.
    Will the stone split? Well look at the local cemetery to see how many gravestones have split noting of course the different types of stone. Stones will split due to impact or frost damage, usually on a fault line, so we are back to the problems of the stability of natural material.
    You could make an agreement that the builder installs the stone guaranteeing his work but you take the liability for the stone.
    Peter
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      CommentAuthorali.gill
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
     
    Sounds like you need to pull the builder up on it.

    Heres some stone lintel suppliers
    http://www.theconstructioncentre.co.uk/products/external-works/cast-stone-lintels/
    and some other discussion on lintels here
    http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=3888&page=1
    • CommentAuthorsquowse
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
     
    from memory, BS for lintels does allow for some tensile strength allowing it to perform as a beam. alternatively it can be assumed to perform as a shallow arch.
    these are design mechanisms - stone lintels have been used extensively in the past but it's neither the ideal use of stone or the ideal material for the job.
    artificial stone, which is concrete using "nice" aggregate round the faces, is commonly used and looks like a fine-grained natural stone when installed.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
     
    See the links ali.gill posted.

    I'm sure there are several companies making steel lintels faced with artificial stone that would look better than concrete. I can confirm they need not have a visible steel lower edge. We opted for steel lintels faced with brick slips and they can be made with no visible steel work.
    • CommentAuthorchuckey
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
     
    Round here, in Wensleydale, every one uses stone lintels. Sorry just remembered about my Brother-in-laws bungalow this has concrete lintels and the cover is flaking off and the steel (now rusty, is exposed). Apart from said bungalow, every one uses stone also the buildings are made with stone so the weight on the lintel is also much higher then with a brick construction. A lintel only carries the weight of the triangle of "wall" above it, so you can test one, by you and a mate standing on one! Typical dimensions over a window opening of 40" is 6" thick X 15" deep with a 6 " overlap at each end.
    Frank
    • CommentAuthorbaffled
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2010
     
    Thanks for all your helpful comments.
    With two boarded-up windows in my small house I had to make a quick decision so opted for the concrete. However, I've rejected the grey colour the builder has had made and insisted on a more "natural" stone colour. He's going to get new ones made but I'm now concerned about how long it's going to take before they will be ready to use. Presumably they'll take time to reach the required strength. Does anybody know how long this will take?
    Lessons to be learned from this:
    Don't assume ANYTHING when discussing the spec for what you want.
    Make sure you know what the options are: don't expect the builder to present them to you.
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