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Green Building Bible, Fourth Edition
Green Building Bible, fourth edition (both books)
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    • CommentAuthoraa44
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2010
     
    I am trying to work out whether to have a pumice chimney or a twin wall flue in our new house.

    One factor is that the woodburner will sit directly under the ridge of the roof. For the chimney this works quite well as the square pumice blocks will come straight up through the ridge and there will be some custom flashing round it. The dry ridge system will simply butt up to the chimney on each side. If I go for a stainless steel twin wall flue then can I take this out through the ridge or would it be better to take it out through the slope on one side using one of the pre-fabricated flashing plates and a storm collar? I can't help feeling that taking the round pipe up through the ridge would be a bit of a mess. On the other hand, putting two bends in the stainless pipe adds about £180 to the price.

    Anyone been there, done that etc.?

    Thanks very much.
    Andrew
    • CommentAuthorpmusgrove
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2010
     
    I have just put a twin wall system up with the kinks in it as you describe. The problem comes with the need to get an air tight collar around the system before it leaves the roof. I haven't worked out the solution yet so any ideas would be welcomed.
    • CommentAuthoraa44
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2010
     
    No idea. Haven't thought about that one yet. Do the suppliers or manufacturers not have any suggestions?

    There are heat resistant expanding foams available but would they invalidate the requirement to keep a gap round the pipe (and thus invalidate your buildings insurance)?
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      CommentAuthorJustin
    • CommentTimeMay 2nd 2010
     
    When I put mine in, I built a sealed box entirely out of fireboard right below the final opening through the rafters. The box enclosed the final angle rafter support. The sides and bottom were closed in, and a circular hole in the underside sealed against the twinwall with fireclay gasket. The TOP of the box is of course open ventilated to the sky because the flashing kit to the tiles is just a sheet of steel with plenty of draughty holes all around it. I figured that any heat in the box can escape easily straight up through all the gaps under the flashing. Lower flue section is properly ventilated through the house with all the part J regs. Exiting it to the exterior with a 50mm gap all round seemed to be just plain daft, and just would produce a secondary chimney!

    The part of the flue in an upstairs bedroom has a vented and boxed-in enclosure with large high-level air exits to the room so it gives up it's heat internally. (I put mesh over the vents to prevent kids etc "posting" stuff in!). It's all the heat that bedroom ever needs, it pours out (albeit at at ceiling level).

    Inspector seemed OK about it and passed my installation for building regs. It's not ABSOLUTELY within the rules (which really do seem to expect you to throw away perhaps 20% of your heat to the sky).

    I added a picture attachment of during installation, let's see if it works
    • CommentAuthoraa44
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2010
     
    Don't know if it's just me Justin but I've tried IE, Firefox and Chrome and I can't see the picture.
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2010
     
    'fraid I couldn't see your pic either....
    • CommentAuthormarktime
    • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2010
     
    The image is too large. Try rescaling it to small.
    • CommentAuthorpmusgrove
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2010
     
    Justin, thanks for your solution - will read it slowly and come up with a drawing but please try again with the photo.
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      CommentAuthorJustin
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2010 edited
     
    Let's try this one more time
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      CommentAuthorJustin
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2010
     
    Edited -bump - worked this time
    • CommentAuthorpmusgrove
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2010
     
    Brilliant, thanks for the pictures.
    • CommentAuthoraa44
    • CommentTimeMay 6th 2010
     
    Thanks very much.
    AA
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