Fri, 05 Jun 2026 18:09:57 +0100 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=99938#Comment_99938 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=99938#Comment_99938 Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:16:57 +0000 adwindrum https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=99955#Comment_99955 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=99955#Comment_99955 Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:49:44 +0000 Brianwilson
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/21/renewable-heat-incentive-delay

Adwindrum- data can prove very useful at times, I attended meeting where then Energy Minister gave talk supporting experimental combustion proposal in the local community, he told obvious porky I stood up and challenged it,told to sit down and keep quiet by chair or leave. Went outside and retrieved document from car returned to meeting showing police I was not carrying weapon approached chair covering my mouth to show not saying anything and presented doc. The chair read it and gave it to minister who turned red but give him his due he admitted he was wrong (poorly advised). Unfortunately for me a tip-off came that my telephone was likely to be tapped because I spoke out against a minister in public !. I am sure they soon became bored. Take care.
Brian smile:]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100213#Comment_100213 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100213#Comment_100213 Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:09:28 +0000 Brianwilson
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/23/save-trees-woods-forest-threat

if you are intersted in trees!
Brian]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100789#Comment_100789 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100789#Comment_100789 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:02:48 +0000 Brianwilson https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100790#Comment_100790 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100790#Comment_100790 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:06:13 +0000 SteamyTea https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100792#Comment_100792 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100792#Comment_100792 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:24:04 +0000 Joiner https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100793#Comment_100793 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100793#Comment_100793 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:32:16 +0000 SteamyTea https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100805#Comment_100805 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100805#Comment_100805 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:20:22 +0000 bella
Cornish, Breton and the dying language of Galicia (North West Spain, not the Basque country) are close to Welsh and at least some of the people of Britain (Boudica et al) defeated by the Romans spoke a language very like it. The Lord's prayer in Cornish, Breton and Galician is clearly in a language close to Welsh and the Breton onion sellers of my youth could converse adequately with Welsh speakers. All four languages as well as Gaelic belong to the Indo-European group (like German, French, Italian, Latin) but Basque doesn't making it very unusual. I don't think anyone is sure of its origins or of the people who speak it.

However, it has to be said that languages and genes often follow very different paths through history. For example, the French speaking Normans were descended from Northern people of Germanic origin, like their Anglo-Saxon cousins, but who had adopted French some 200 hundred years before they invaded England and Sicily. If you know the evidence for a "genetic line" between the Cornish and Basque people (other than all of us Europeans being descended from very few individuals) it would be interesting.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100808#Comment_100808 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100808#Comment_100808 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:27:15 +0000 SteamyTea I am no historian and care even less but was told about it from a historian from one of the Oxford Universities and a few years later heard the same thing from some professor on 'In Our Time', think it may have been the historian's superior.

Trouble with history is that it is not very scientific as impossible to recreate in the lab, hence very little interest in in. Having said that my lodger studied Archaeology and has a keen interest in history (doing a BA in it) and thinks the 'Painted People' story is valid.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100812#Comment_100812 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100812#Comment_100812 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:40:47 +0000 bella https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100815#Comment_100815 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100815#Comment_100815 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:46:02 +0000 DamonHD
Rgds

Damon]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100816#Comment_100816 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100816#Comment_100816 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:06:57 +0000 Peter_in_Hungary
Not to mention the fact that history is usually written by the victors!!

P:S: what Damon said about Croydon - Yes

Peter]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100818#Comment_100818 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100818#Comment_100818 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:27:50 +0000 SteamyTea
As for genetic link ask the expert, Professor David Goldstein of University College London, I just relayed the story.

And history gets re-written again and again.
Unlike a 3rd year thesis ]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100819#Comment_100819 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100819#Comment_100819 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:58:03 +0000 DamonHD
Or am I thinking of MFI? %-P

Rgds

Damon]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100820#Comment_100820 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100820#Comment_100820 Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:05:53 +0000 SteamyTea ]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100844#Comment_100844 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100844#Comment_100844 Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:52:53 +0000 Peter_in_Hungary
As often as victory passes from one camp to the next!!!]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100891#Comment_100891 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=100891#Comment_100891 Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:00:47 +0000 djh Posted By: DamonHDLimbo presumably has an Ikea too, just without a service desk or canteen or crèche, all the stuff is slightly broken or has a piece missing, there is no sense of design, and the queues are even longer.
I think you're thinking of the IKEA in purgatory. I think the one in limbo has a permanent power failure so none of the tills work and you can't see any of the products.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101420#Comment_101420 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101420#Comment_101420 Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:05:34 +0000 Brianwilson http://www.bc.lung.ca/association_and_services/documents/2011AirQualityandHealthWorkshopProgram.pdf
Rgds
Brian]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101422#Comment_101422 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101422#Comment_101422 Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:16:47 +0000 Joiner https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101426#Comment_101426 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101426#Comment_101426 Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:48:35 +0000 SteamyTea ]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101428#Comment_101428 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101428#Comment_101428 Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:06:41 +0000 renewablejohn
Article in NY Times highlighting how far the paranoia is spreading.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/20/garden/20fire.html?-r=1]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101449#Comment_101449 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101449#Comment_101449 Sat, 05 Feb 2011 08:41:23 +0000 Joiner
Sat watching the Comedy show on ITV1 last night and the wife laughed out loud at something I'd completely missed. Didn't I think that was funny? she asked, what was I thinking about?

"Gas."

'What do you mean, gas?"

Told her I'd explain this morning and carried on watching a couple of eye-wateringly funny Japanese comics and some excellent music.

What I'd remembered was that when we moved in here ten years ago, although the woman we bought the place off had a coal fire, there was a gas pipe to one side of the hearth which I'd simply pushed below the level of the floorboard and hid, carpetting over. So we're looking into gas fires now. Makes sense, with a wife with COPD and me with sodding heart failure. The flu liner will cost an arm and a leg because it's a BIG chimney and VERY tall, but it's got to be worth the expense.

Thanks guys.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101504#Comment_101504 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101504#Comment_101504 Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:16:29 +0000 sune Sorry to veer the thread back to topic! : )

Please read through the original report and then as you go look at each claim and decide whether it is 'always true' or only 'sometimes true'. A claim that is stated as 'always true' is of course shown to be false when it turns out to be 'sometimes true'.
The claims in the report are presented as 'always true' when in fact they are only (at best) 'sometimes true'.

I would suggest that although there are useful topics for thought to be extracted from the report, the poor way in which it is written means that its claims are false.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101529#Comment_101529 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101529#Comment_101529 Sat, 05 Feb 2011 23:42:16 +0000 Gavin_A Posted By: suneBetter late than never - here is a response to the Biomass report.
Sorry to veer the thread back to topic! : )

Please read through the original report and then as you go look at each claim and decide whether it is 'always true' or only 'sometimes true'. A claim that is stated as 'always true' is of course shown to be false when it turns out to be 'sometimes true'.
The claims in the report are presented as 'always true' when in fact they are only (at best) 'sometimes true'.

I would suggest that although there are useful topics for thought to be extracted from the report, the poor way in which it is written means that its claims are false.

• http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/forum114/?PostBackAction=Download&AttachmentID=1769" >Response to AECB Biomass a Burning Issue.pdf

that pretty much sums up my opinion on the subject, can't fault it at all. Hopefully AECB will see fit to publish this as a response to the original article.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101646#Comment_101646 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101646#Comment_101646 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 08:49:27 +0000 Brianwilson Interesting comment by Solid Fuel Association " there is very little chance of fumes escaping into a property from a correctly fitted stove".
Cannot pick a suitable face to fit after 10 yrs trying to increase awareness, probably this one ]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101650#Comment_101650 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101650#Comment_101650 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:21:36 +0000 Joiner
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8306792/Wood-burning-stoves-can-cause-cancer-and-heart-disease.html

But I groaned when I also found this under his by-line: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8303521/Low-energy-lightbulbs-could-harm-40000.html - it's why many people give up on the green message with a "Jeez, just getting out of bed is bad for you." It feeds the cynicism. Butter is bad, butter is good. Cholesterol is bad, cholesterol is actually good and naturally occurring. Et-bloody-cetera.

What we genuinely need is not another conference on climate change that concentrates on targets, but one that concentrates on the best ways to get "it" done without scaring the shit out of everyone and then telling them they can relax. Or telling them they can relax now because we've got it under control and then telling them errr...!]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101652#Comment_101652 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101652#Comment_101652 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:27:18 +0000 SteamyTea There is a whole field of social science research on just that. To be honest it is why I think governments are better at making decisions than individuals. I have just been looking for that paper and have downloaded a mere 6 files and that will probably take me a week to get through, and then another week to fully understand and another week to comment on it. By then, according to some people, the world will have ended as I have not acted fast enough. Just off out to get the glass for my back door, doing my bit

Just read that telegraph lighbulb bit, seem to have all those symptoms.

"The former can trigger rashes in a small number of people as well as lupus, an autoimmune disease whose symptoms include fatigue and joint pain.

The latter can induce eye pain and could even increase the incidence of repetitive behaviour in autistic people. "

I always liked Jerome K Jerome's Three Men In A Boat when they talked about their illnesses, had everything except Housemaids Knee I seem to remember. As usual the dog (Montmorency) said nothing]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101718#Comment_101718 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101718#Comment_101718 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:44:29 +0000 Brianwilson http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1354387/Wood-burning-stoves-cause-cancer-heart-disease.html?ito=feeds-newsxml Comments are interesting.
Still trying to locate article in Chemical Research in Toxicology document if anyone has access.
I note Energy Minister intends diverting funds from solar to community biomass which to me defies due diligence unless Government regulate emissions to fuel oil impact or less per Gj of useful output. Can but hope as ST apparently recommends we place our trust in Gov. Note he is now buying Sunday Times rather than reading it in quayside establishment must reflect increasing affluence.
I am struggling with unstable cursor on laptop touchpad if anyone can offer advice for cure please to avoid use of large hammer.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101722#Comment_101722 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101722#Comment_101722 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:34:46 +0000 SteamyTea

I could not locate that Journal though the University site.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101742#Comment_101742 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=6241&Focus=101742#Comment_101742 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:58:23 +0000 Brianwilson