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  1.  
    Posted By: JoinerTo make you all feel better (except Paul who's over there), this just came from my brother in Montreal...


    It was a pretty wild day yesterday started off around -10C yesterday morning and stayed there most of the day with snow and then freezing rain. Temperature climbed to +5 by 1am ... at midnight there was fog and light winds of 11km/h - then boom - at 1am gusts hit 100km/h (not as bad as you all had in Scotland - but very unusual for us) and the temperature started to plummet so that it was -11C by 8am this morning, where it's been ever since. Still, warmer than last weekend when the daytime high stayed below -18C with an overnight low of -23C - though is milder than we usually see.

    It's always interesting to see just how fast the temperature can change here - especially when it has risen to above freezing and then plunges with flash-freeze warnings. One time I was staying in Banff and saw the temperature drop from -1C to -19C in the space of an hour!

    Biggest change I saw over a longer period of time was a couple of years ago - at the end of Jan we hit -33C overnight - 6 weeks later and it was +33C. Ah, the joys of a Continental climate where we're at the mercy of the location of the jet stream!

    Paul in Montreal.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012 edited
     
    You're welcome to it, Paul.

    Brother once had to get his neighbour to help him lift off the 1/4" "windscreen" that had formed over the real one, which detached after a period of having the heater demist the screen.

    And it's not a pretty sight after the street blower's been down and piled it all onto your front lawn.

    Always wonder what went through the minds of the earliest settlers who arrived at the height of summer and thought: "This is a bit of alright" and went on to put up their tents. Then come winter...!!
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012
     
    My now-broken exterior thermostat is reading -50C: maybe I should send it over?

    Rgds

    Damon
  2.  
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Joiner</cite>Brother once had to get his neighbour to help him lift off the 1/4" "windscreen" that had formed over the real one, which detached after a period of having the heater demist the screen.</blockquote>

    1/4"! That's nothing. I arrived back in Montreal after visiting the UK in the middle of the great icestorm of 1998 (worst natural disaster in $$ terms in Canadian history) to find my car was encased in between 4" and 6" of ice. Of course, the scraper was trapped inside. It took me a good two hours to carve that icecube into something that resembled a car again!

    http://archives.cbc.ca/environment/extreme_weather/topics/258/


    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Joiner</cite>Always wonder what went through the minds of the earliest settlers who arrived at the height of summer and thought: "This is a bit of alright" and went on to put up their tents. Then come winter...!!</blockquote>

    I had some relatives who went to Toronto in the 1890s but they went back to the UK after a couple of years - they couldn't cope with the heat/humidity of summer and the cold/dry of winter.

    Paul in Montreal.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2012 edited
     
    I went to Toronto, it is still in the 1890's :wink:
    But felt modern as I had just come up from Harrisberg, PA
  3.  
    Just thought I'd add my stats : whatever day it is today, position 43.5 N / 6.3 E, altitude 635 metres. Would love to have the heating on but have one measly electric heater bought for its looks and not its wattage output ...
  4.  
    Thought I'd add that it was 18.5 C blue skies and sunny when I abandoned the mission to buy more electric radiators (on the grounds that, this being France, all the shops are shut on a Sunday) and went to the beach. Temp has dropped of course since the sun went down.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd 2012
     
    User,Heating On,Date,Latitude,Altitude,Heating Type
    Tony,No,--/--/---,--,--,--
    Dimengineer,Yes,17/10/2011,51.5N,--,--
    Nick Parson,Yes,18/10/2011,53.3N,--,Gas Combi Condensing Wood Burners
    DamonHD,Yes,04/11/2011,51.5N,14,Gas Combi
    Timber,Yes,21/10/2011,51.6N,203,Gas Condensing
    JeffB,Yes,21/10/2011,51.9N,115,Wood Pellet Boiler
    Jamesingram,Yes,16/10/2011,--,--,--
    Qeipl,Yes,18/10/2011,57N,5,ASHP+Solid Fuel Boiler
    Skyewright,Yes,13/10/2011,57N,100,Electric (Funny Tariff)
    Dickster,Yes,16/10/2011,52N,--,--
    Orangemannot,Yes,18/10/2011,55N,50,--
    Steamytea,Yes,30/11/2011,50.2N,101,E7
    JSHarris,Yes,18/10/2011,51N,70,Gas Condensing
    Gotanewlife,Yes,19/10/2011,42.5N,500,--
    Wookey,Yes,23/10/2011,52.2N,14,Wood TS?
    Paul In Montreal,Yes,12/10/2011,45.3N,50,GSHP
    Jules,Yes,27/10/2011,51.2N,120,Gas
    RobL,Yes,17/10/2011,52.2N,14,Gas Condensing Wood Burner
    Martint,Yes,17/10/2011,52.9N,130,--
    Ecohome,Yes,18/10/2011,51.1N,157,Oil Combi
    Broy,Yes,21/10/2011,47N,80,Wood Stove
    JeremyS,Yes,18/10/2011,57.7N,160,Oil Rayburn
    Joiner,Yes,??/10/2011,52.3N,82,Gas Combi
    Chippyclaus,Yes,15/10/2011,52N,96,Wood Gas
    mw116,Yes,16/10/2011,54N,15,Gas Non Condensing
    Spike,No,--/--/----, 51.3N, 72, Gas condensing + wood burner
    Mrs.Whitecat,--,--/--/----,43.5N,635,Electric (French Tariff)
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd 2012
     
    Went to the beach as well, bit grey though.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd 2012
     
    OK, that was pollution on the sand: how was the sky?

    Rgds

    Damon

    PS. Feeling guilty about not having done *anything* with your CC stuff yet, curses... %-P
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd 2012 edited
     
    I am feeling guilty about many things, one is getting the Linux Box working, hopefully this coming week.
    Sky was getting dark, have a picture of it :cool:
    • CommentAuthorseascape
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd 2012
     
    Thinking of turning my storage heater off - south west seems balmy compared to Gloucestershire!
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd 2012
     
    Yes, all very lovely temperature wise today, mine is currently using 4.3 kWh/day, which is virtually nothing.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd 2012
     
    Actually, this past week has been almost balmy in Shropshire. Have had the c/h ticking over quietly for about 2 hours in the morning and 4 hours through the evening, and not used the gas fire at all.

    So where's this 'hard' winter they predicted?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 23rd 2012
     
    Farming Today (that's before 6AM on Radio 4) were joking a bit about the next months weather, 50/50 that it would stay as it is or go back to normal. Good on them. :cool:
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2012
     
    Had to switch on my heating last week and the Saturday before too:(

    300W in my office and in the Lounge for a few hours a day.

    Still feel like cheating and turning on all the lights.
    •  
      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2012
     
    Wimp, you should have put some thermals on :wink:

    User,Heating On,Date,Latitude,Altitude,Heating Type
    Tony,Yes,29/01/2012,--,--,--
    Dimengineer,Yes,17/10/2011,51.5N,--,--
    Nick Parson,Yes,18/10/2011,53.3N,--,Gas Combi Condensing Wood Burners
    DamonHD,Yes,04/11/2011,51.5N,14,Gas Combi
    Timber,Yes,21/10/2011,51.6N,203,Gas Condensing
    JeffB,Yes,21/10/2011,51.9N,115,Wood Pellet Boiler
    Jamesingram,Yes,16/10/2011,--,--,--
    Qeipl,Yes,18/10/2011,57N,5,ASHP+Solid Fuel Boiler
    Skyewright,Yes,13/10/2011,57N,100,Electric (Funny Tariff)
    Dickster,Yes,16/10/2011,52N,--,--
    Orangemannot,Yes,18/10/2011,55N,50,--
    Steamytea,Yes,30/11/2011,50.2N,101,E7
    JSHarris,Yes,18/10/2011,51N,70,Gas Condensing
    Gotanewlife,Yes,19/10/2011,42.5N,500,--
    Wookey,Yes,23/10/2011,52.2N,14,Wood TS?
    Paul In Montreal,Yes,12/10/2011,45.3N,50,GSHP
    Jules,Yes,27/10/2011,51.2N,120,Gas
    RobL,Yes,17/10/2011,52.2N,14,Gas Condensing Wood Burner
    Martint,Yes,17/10/2011,52.9N,130,--
    Ecohome,Yes,18/10/2011,51.1N,157,Oil Combi
    Broy,Yes,21/10/2011,47N,80,Wood Stove
    JeremyS,Yes,18/10/2011,57.7N,160,Oil Rayburn
    Joiner,Yes,??/10/2011,52.3N,82,Gas Combi
    Chippyclaus,Yes,15/10/2011,52N,96,Wood Gas
    mw116,Yes,16/10/2011,54N,15,Gas Non Condensing
    Spike,No,--/--/----, 51.3N, 72, Gas condensing + wood burner
    Mrs.Whitecat,--,--/--/----,43.5N,635,Electric (French Tariff)
    • CommentAuthorSprocket
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2012
     
    I haven't even bothered to try to join in this "Heating on" game.
    I think it probably goes on some time in August and off in some time July :-)

    We hit -12 here last night. This morning my good lady wife made me turn up the temperature on the condensing boiler (up from minimum) so that the radiators could be hotter. This happened pretty quickly of course and the result quite noticeable. Now she is cursing me for keeping her in heat poverty for the last several months.

    We have radically different ideas of comfort temperatures.
    I've seen the output from some of your loggers... 18~20 degrees normal temp?
    How do you do that? Don't all you enthusiasts have this kind of trouble with your partners too?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2012
     
    Oddly enough, I like a warm place, grew up in the Far East, then the West Indies and South of France. If I had my way I would be in shorts and a t-shirt all the time.
    But having said that, when I moved to this place and realised there was no chance of getting gas, I decided that changing my behaviour was the biggest thing I could do. I start the day with a hot shower, move to the 'front room' when the sun moved to there (worth about 3 C when sunny that is), I keep an eye on what is being used (this cold snap is bugging me as the tiny fan heater is working much more than usual when it is -4C).
    One problem I do have is thinking up some 'rules' when to turn the heating off. Being storage heaters getting it wrong means either a cold or hot house. I tend to leave them on much longer than necessary.
    My Lodger, bless her cotton socks, is either too hot or too cold, but I have to point out to her that she often walks around in just jeans a t-shirt. And she sits around a lot, and I mean a lot, the concept of actually moving does not exist with her. She will also open a window fully when she is feeling warm, then leave it open until I point out to her that it has been dark for several hours. In all fairness to her she does have a third of her brain totally non functioning, another third with problems (hence the lack of temperature control) but the bit at the front is a normal 30 year old females, so probably filled with fluffy things like kittens or pink clothes, or whatever it is that girls think of, certainly not kWh and Delta T's :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorseascape
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2012
     
    Spearmint, vanilla and rose for spring according to February Vogue.

    Best way to lower heating demand is to tell partners they look great in big fluffy jumpers and hats - in a subtle way of course, otherwise they will get suspicious.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2012
     
    I always thought Diane Keaton looked good dressed like that in Annie Hall.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2012
     
    Oh Jeez. DO NOT SET HIM OFF!!!:jumping:
    • CommentAuthordocmartin
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2012 edited
     
    Sprocket,
    my target temperatures are 20oC for 2.5 hrs in the morning and 6 hrs at night, 18.5oc all day and fallback to 17.5oc at night. The inner leaf of the external walls and the internal walls are dense brick; setting fallback at the classical 15oC did not work for us as the thermal mass will maintain 17-18oc most days and nights. The room sensor/controller is linked to an external sensor for weather compensation; overshooting of the target temperatures due to CH never occurs; only slightly with indirect solar gain from adjacent rooms.
    The installer insisted on putting the room sensor in the main sitting room with no TRVs. The whole house would be switched off during an evening watching TV. When insulating the floors , I took the opportunity to re-route the sensor/controller to the inner hall, 6m from a small radiator near the front door, where the temperature is very stable surrounded by a lot of thermal mass.
    At this location, with the target temperatures above, the TRVs around the house have been adjusted to give 20-22oC in my wife's bedroom and the bathrooms, 16-18oC in my bedroom, dining room and the kitchen, and 15-16oC in 2 unused* bedrooms ( *1 used as a study with pullovers!).
    The sitting room retains the non-thermostat valves as they are 'designer'; SWMBO forbids their removal! Careful tweaking has set this room to be 18oC until the 32” LCD TV (168W) has been on for a while to give 22+oC, eventually.
    Although set to 20oC in heating periods, it is rare to find the room sensor temperature above 19.5oC; the CH is OFF in anti-cycling mode a lot of the time. The maximum flow temperature is 57Oc but usually less due to the weather compensator.
    Marital harmony maintained although she yawns whenever insulation etc are mentioned, and even, dare I say ,when she catches me on GBF, often!
    • CommentAuthormarktime
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2012
     
    Yes/4 Feb 2012/28.3 N/90/ 1kW Fan heater

    Ext: 15º C RH 54% Int: 20.7 RH 56%
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2012 edited
     
    User,Heating On,Date,Latitude,Altitude,Heating Type
    Tony,Yes,29/01/2012,5.4N,--,--
    Dimengineer,Yes,17/10/2011,51.5N,--,--
    Nick Parson,Yes,18/10/2011,53.3N,--,Gas Combi Condensing Wood Burners
    DamonHD,Yes,04/11/2011,51.5N,14,Gas Combi
    Timber,Yes,21/10/2011,51.6N,203,Gas Condensing
    JeffB,Yes,21/10/2011,51.9N,115,Wood Pellet Boiler
    Jamesingram,Yes,16/10/2011,--,--,--
    Qeipl,Yes,18/10/2011,57N,5,ASHP+Solid Fuel Boiler
    Skyewright,Yes,13/10/2011,57N,100,Electric (Funny Tariff)
    Dickster,Yes,16/10/2011,52N,--,--
    Orangemannot,Yes,18/10/2011,55N,50,--
    Steamytea,Yes,30/11/2011,50.2N,101,E7
    JSHarris,Yes,18/10/2011,51N,70,Gas Condensing
    Gotanewlife,Yes,19/10/2011,42.5N,500,--
    Wookey,Yes,23/10/2011,52.2N,14,Wood TS?
    Paul In Montreal,Yes,12/10/2011,45.3N,50,GSHP
    Jules,Yes,27/10/2011,51.2N,120,Gas
    RobL,Yes,17/10/2011,52.2N,14,Gas Condensing Wood Burner
    Martint,Yes,17/10/2011,52.9N,130,--
    Ecohome,Yes,18/10/2011,51.1N,157,Oil Combi
    Broy,Yes,21/10/2011,47N,80,Wood Stove
    JeremyS,Yes,18/10/2011,57.7N,160,Oil Rayburn
    Joiner,Yes,??/10/2011,52.3N,82,Gas Combi
    Chippyclaus,Yes,15/10/2011,52N,96,Wood Gas
    mw116,Yes,16/10/2011,54N,15,Gas Non Condensing
    Spike,No,--/--/----, 51.3N, 72, Gas condensing + wood burner
    Mrs.Whitecat,--,--/--/----,43.5N,635,Electric (French Tariff)
    Marktime,04/02/2012,28.3N,90,1kW Fanheater
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012
     
    I turned my heating off on the 24th March 2012
    •  
      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012
     
    Hmm, mine about the 29th though it had not actually been used for a few days before that, so maybe 25th?

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012
     
    Turned ours off last Friday, but it's back on with a vengeance just (11.14), 'cos it's blowing a freezing gale out there, with sleet driven by a biting north wind.

    Just had to put the fence back up. Thank the gods I didn't sell the Jockey winch when I cleared the workshop!
  5.  
    Was considering turning ours off and accepting the complaints of the younger generation, but it' on today. Wet, snowy, miserable (and that's just me!) :)
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012
     
    Mine is still of (put away) since first/second week of March,
   
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