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		<title>Old walls &#039;three times more energy-efficient than previously thought&#039;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[From <a href="http://www.bdonline.co.uk/5014839.article?origin=BDweeklydigest:" target="_self" rel="nofollow">http://www.bdonline.co.uk/5014839.article?origin=BDweeklydigest:</a><br /><br />"Inaccurate figures could lead to damaging and unnecessary interventions, warns SPAB<br /><br />Heat loss through vernacular materials can be up to three times lower than expected, according to new research conducted for the Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings (SPAB).<br /><br />The standard U-value calculations used across the construction industry to assess thermal performance appear to underestimate the efficiency of traditional walls, according to Dr Caroline Rye from the University of Portsmouth.<br /><br />Her research suggests that 79% of the traditionally built walls sampled â€“ including timber, cob, limestone, slate, and granite â€“ actually perform better than expected.<br /><br />Jonathan Garlick, SPAB technical officer and project leader, said: â€œAmazingly, this research has not been carried out before in England. Accepted theoretical performance figures have long been used as a standard base measurement by professionals and homeowners when old buildings are being up-graded, altered or even assessed for Energy Performance Certificates, but are they correct? We believe that with some traditional materials our in-situ results prove that they are not. We appear to be actually underselling the thermal performance of our old buildings by not fully understanding them.<br /><br />â€œEnergy efficiency is becoming the key issue for people working with historic buildings. If we arenâ€™t basing our approaches on the right figures to begin with, then we could, unintentionally, be doing untold, invasive damage.â€<br /><br />Here's the report:<br /><a href="http://www.spab.org.uk/downloads/Courses_2010/TheSPABU-valueReportFINAL.pdf" target="_self" rel="nofollow">http://www.spab.org.uk/downloads/Courses_2010/TheSPABU-valueReportFINAL.pdf</a>]]>
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		<title>Old walls &#039;three times more energy-efficient than previously thought&#039;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[One of the problems is that U-values refer to steady states whereas buildings are rarely used like that.]]>
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		<title>Old walls &#039;three times more energy-efficient than previously thought&#039;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>tony</author>
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			<![CDATA[Another is that SPAB paid for this research, were they angling for certain results?]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>SteamyTea</author>
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			<![CDATA[Tony<br />Does Equation 1 in the report convert it to a steady state condition as it is is using the sum of the temperature changes divided by the sum of the heat flows for the test period.<br />It is also worth looking at the magnitude of the measured and calculated U-Values, 6 had a U-Value under 1, 14 between 1 and 2 and 4 above 2.  This can easily skew the results.<br /><br />Kind of research I like as it is real.  Did you want some real data on old buildings on another thread, friend of mine did some work on this a few years back, not sure if he has still got it though, he was never very good at backing up his data and the university used to wipe it all in the summer.]]>
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		<title>Old walls &#039;three times more energy-efficient than previously thought&#039;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>fostertom</author>
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			<![CDATA[So what U value do we give to a 500thick rubble stone wall lime plastered internally, with and without external lime render? Something better, I think, than you'd get by conventionally using the lamda value of solid limestone.]]>
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		<title>Old walls &#039;three times more energy-efficient than previously thought&#039;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<author>seanie</author>
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			<![CDATA[Historic Scotland did similar research a couple of years ago.  But there seems to be a tendency to interpret the results as meaning historic buildings are thermally efficient, whereas all they are is not quite as dreadful as first thought.]]>
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