Green Building Forum - Wind farm noise in court Sat, 30 May 2026 15:07:35 +0100 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147627#Comment_147627 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147627#Comment_147627 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:57:38 +0100 Ed Davies Posted By: windy lambAt the risk of being wrong again - aren't those wind turbines on school fields in Scotland Provens?
No - at least one isn't, the one at Bowertower. Not sure what it is but it's not a Proven.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147636#Comment_147636 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147636#Comment_147636 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:57:31 +0100 ted Posted By: djh
Posted By: tedAnyone like to hazard a guess as to the level of accuracy sound meters, approved to the highest international standard, are? Or the level of accuracy of the calibration devices that are used to set those meters and approved to the same international standard?

Don't google it first please - I'd really like to know what people's off-the-cuff assumptions might be.

Level of accuracy as described by plus or minus x.x dB.

Come on then, Ted! Let the cat out of the bag. Enquiring minds want to know. Or at least whisper the answer to those of us who have posted a guess.

IEC 61672 Class 1 sound meter

Accuracy
±1.9 dB at 1 kHz
±3.2 dB at 20 Hz
+4.0 dB at 16 kHz
-16.0 dB at 16 kHz

Standard calibration takes place at 94 dB at 1 kHz.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147655#Comment_147655 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147655#Comment_147655 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:52:36 +0100 JSHarris Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147657#Comment_147657 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147657#Comment_147657 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:59:58 +0100 Joiner Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147660#Comment_147660 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147660#Comment_147660 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:34:21 +0100 ted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_level_meter

Acousticians appear to be rather coy about mentioning levels of accuracy in their reports.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147661#Comment_147661 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147661#Comment_147661 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:06:02 +0100 DamonHD
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Damon]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147663#Comment_147663 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147663#Comment_147663 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:19:28 +0100 Joiner ]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147674#Comment_147674 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147674#Comment_147674 Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:19:42 +0100 ted
http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/dB.htm]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147912#Comment_147912 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147912#Comment_147912 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:39:15 +0100 windy lamb http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-18322988]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147916#Comment_147916 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147916#Comment_147916 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:00:00 +0100 DamonHD
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Damon]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147947#Comment_147947 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147947#Comment_147947 Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:07:41 +0100 SteamyTea Posted By: DamonHDHave the county's residents all done their 'fair share' of conservation :rolling:]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147974#Comment_147974 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147974#Comment_147974 Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:02:25 +0100 windy lamb Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147979#Comment_147979 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147979#Comment_147979 Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:24:08 +0100 Joiner
"The infrastructure is poor and some communities do not have access to public transport. Lincolnshire remains one of the poorest areas in the country with one quarter of the population living in neighbourhoods that have been rated in the 20% most deprived areas in England."

From: http://www.lincolnshireprobationtrust.org.uk/AboutUs/Equality+and+Diversity

Back to convincing LAs of the wisdom of the AECB's thinking? Who's to fund it? :wink:]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147982#Comment_147982 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147982#Comment_147982 Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:38:27 +0100 DamonHD
Can they afford not to, like education?

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Damon]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147994#Comment_147994 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147994#Comment_147994 Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:20:31 +0100 Joiner ]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147995#Comment_147995 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=147995#Comment_147995 Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:24:25 +0100 renewablejohn Posted By: JoinerCan they afford their "fair share" though, as one of the poorest regions in the country?

"The infrastructure is poor and some communities do not have access to public transport. Lincolnshire remains one of the poorest areas in the country with one quarter of the population living in neighbourhoods that have been rated in the 20% most deprived areas in England."

From:http://www.lincolnshireprobationtrust.org.uk/AboutUs/Equality+and+Diversity" rel="nofollow" >http://www.lincolnshireprobationtrust.org.uk/AboutUs/Equality+and+Diversity

Back to convincing LAs of the wisdom of the AECB's thinking? Who's to fund it?http://1.2.3.9/bmi/www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/forum114/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title=":wink:" >

Must be a different lincolnshire to the one I left as a youngster. As far as I was aware one of the highest energy use counties per population in the country. 2 major oil refineries one of europes largest steelworks and a large number of chemical works.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148025#Comment_148025 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148025#Comment_148025 Wed, 06 Jun 2012 22:36:37 +0100 Joiner Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148026#Comment_148026 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148026#Comment_148026 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 01:00:23 +0100 Gavin_A
the problem with using distance as the determining factor is that low frequency sound reduces by 6db with every doubling of distance.

meaning that once you get up to a certain sound level, you really can't rely on increasing the distance from the sound source to reduce the noise to a reasonable level without having ridiculously big exclusion areas.

so roughly a house at 1500m will have a 6db reduction vs a house at 750m. If these reports are showing that 750m makes a house unihabitable, then a 6db reduction from that isn't going to make the noise level insignificant. I'd think you'd need at least a 12db reduction for that to be the case, which would mean a 3km exclusion zone if 750m isn't bearable, which is starting to get silly.

IMO the only sensible solution is to reduce the volume of the noise at source, which is likely to involve a limit on the size and number of turbines - or realisitcally a combination of that and distance.

Those doing the planning of these projects, and those assessing them urgently need to get a better grasp of the core fundamentals of this issue IMO.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148038#Comment_148038 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148038#Comment_148038 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:21:02 +0100 Joiner
I totally agree with Gavin's last para. Unfortunately, Mammon precludes. We genuinely have reached a point where the contribution to energy supply has become secondary to ROI.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148041#Comment_148041 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148041#Comment_148041 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:28:59 +0100 SteamyTea Posted By: JoinerWe genuinely have reached a point where the contribution to energy supply has become secondary to ROI.
Probably true of the lay person, not so sure for the energy companies as they are directly or indirectly legislated to supply power, to minimum standards, day in day out. So they have other reasons to invest, why they liked the FITs, it was easy to pass the price on.

Still think they should put a high Carbon Tax on everything.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148043#Comment_148043 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148043#Comment_148043 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:47:03 +0100 Joiner ]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148044#Comment_148044 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148044#Comment_148044 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:53:42 +0100 SteamyTea Must be about time I wound up Ian Mays again :wink:]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148057#Comment_148057 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148057#Comment_148057 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:20:37 +0100 Joiner

Better warn him then. :bigsmile:]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148836#Comment_148836 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148836#Comment_148836 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:02:53 +0100 ted
Just found out that the fund associated with our local wind farm (£75,000 a year) has refused to cough up unless their 'preferred' companies are given the contract on a couple of local improvement projects.

In both cases the projects have said 'no thanks, we'll get the money from elsewhere'.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148838#Comment_148838 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148838#Comment_148838 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:23:00 +0100 windy lamb
So the Community Benefit Fund or "planning bribe" has preferred contractors - are these subsidiaries of the company contributing to the fund?
Something smells.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148841#Comment_148841 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148841#Comment_148841 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:50:04 +0100 ted ]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148843#Comment_148843 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148843#Comment_148843 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:19:45 +0100 Brianwilson http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Lincs-campaigners-welcome-council-8217-s-anti/story-16354642-detail/story.html

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/quiet-majority-back-wind-turbines-1-4646399

The Lincolnshire Local authority appear to sadly display confused thinking, they are insisting on a minimum 10km separation between turbines and communities but recently gave vociferous support to a combustion project scheduled to produce hundreds of tonnes of 24/7 hazardous air pollution immediately upwind of a Community complete with Primary School. They are also building an incinerator immediately upwind of Lincoln and aware the emissions will be far higher than Continental equivalents per tonne processed plus the plant will be oversized from day one in a falling residual household waste scenario.
I suspect future wind farm proposals will be decided by our Government despite the promise of local involvement.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148864#Comment_148864 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148864#Comment_148864 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:42:27 +0100 Joiner
Still very much a case of having to be careful about what you wish for because it might just happen and you might not like what you get. :wink:]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148898#Comment_148898 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=148898#Comment_148898 Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:42:25 +0100 CWatters Posted By: BrianwilsonThe Lincolnshire Local authority appear to sadly display confused thinking, they are insisting on a minimum 10km separation between turbines and communities..

Not confused at all. They have done that because they feel there have been enough wind farms built in the county. Introducing a minimium distance rule of 10k is just a device to try and stop any more applications.]]> Wind farm noise in court https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=149689#Comment_149689 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7563&Focus=149689#Comment_149689 Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:03:41 +0100 Joiner
Planning Policy Statement (PPS) 22 ‘Renewable Energy’ has been recently
replaced by the National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF) published on 27th
March 2012, which sets out the Government’s planning policies for England.
However, the original companion guide to PPS22 is still current and now provides a
Companion Guide to the NPPF.

From what others have said, I was under the impression that the PPS22 Companion Guide had been made as redundant as PPS22 itself by the NPPF.

Who's right? :confused:

(Incidentally I have no problem with a turbine of this size - 20kW with to-tip height of 27m - just wish they weren't siting it 200 metres away from a residential home.)]]>