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    • CommentAuthorEchovia
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2011 edited
     
    Renovating a slate roof on large house by stripping ; creating perfect opportunity to put insulation over rafters creating warm roof. The second floor is currently converted into some rooms ( rudimentary insulation) and a large attic space. Previous renovations have created damp problems because of ventilation issues. to create the warm roof I'm looking at a wood fibre sarking board, although I would like to avoid between rafter insulation as I wish to retain the intricate shape of a couple of hipped elements with Rafters on show. My architect is suggested foil backed insulation to avoid any great increase in roof height although I'm concerned about it's impact on permeability ( actis triso super10)

    Does pavaboard or other boards offer much insulation on their own ? or do they need additional insulation ? Will raising the roof cause problems with valleys and hips ( large pitched roof with two bays either end with hipped roofs. ? I assume I need to be air tight -so will I need to raise hidden gutters at eaves ? ( these are behind a parapet which sit above the solid walls)

    Will the walls be impacted ? As I cannot see a way to insulate them. The house although not listed is locally important and I cannot cover the external brick or stone and internally I cannot see how I can increase internal walls without undermining the cornice and window detailing.

    Any advice or comments gratefully received
    :confused:
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 31st 2011
     
    as soon as you start insulating the roof you are required to meet current building regs levels

    These for me are no where good enough and I would like to see U-value near 0.1

    EWI is nice for walls but dont let cornice put you off, you can mould it and refit it to internal wall insulation or get it made up.
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    If you make it a warm roof then the permeability of the insulation becomes irrelevant as the timbers are moved out of the Dew Point zone. We often use the Warm Roof build up below for Passive House renovations;
      Ext Ins TF Roof.jpg
    • CommentAuthorEchovia
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2011 edited
     
    Are we saying that the Wood fibre systems do not offer building reg levels of insulation ?

    I think the passive house solution is not likely on an 1860 building as we will not be rendering the ornate brick and stone facade. I think I'm trying to deliver better efficiency , keeping the character of the building but adding elements that would advance the building by in unison with its structure.

    Viking house - is an EPS solution considered better/greener than the Wood fibre option ? what about PU ? similar to a SIPs panel ? (though this would be a costly addition to any roof). The roof is over 500m2 so we need to find a cost effective upgrade.
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    '' quote
    Are we saying that the Wood fibre systems do not offer building reg levels of insulation ? ''

    Well they do if they are fat enough. Probably around 250-275mm to meet Part L 0.18 U value for sloping roof, based on Lambda value of 0.040.

    Nick
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    Posted By: Echovia Viking house - is an EPS solution considered better/greener than the Wood fibre option ? what about PU ? similar to a SIPs panel ? (though this would be a costly addition to any roof). The roof is over 500m2 so we need to find a cost effective upgrade.
    Well they both seem to have similar Global Warming Potential figures per kg on the ICE database, but EPS has a better insulating value per kg and is much cheaper! I think an EPS solution would be also cheaper than a SIPS or PU solution.
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