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    • CommentAuthorbillt
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2008
     
    • CommentAuthorchuckey
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2008
     
    Keith, what do you mean when you say that the switched mode chargers constantly "pulse" the water turbine. As far as I know that as long as the input voltage is above some threshold the power "goes straight through it". The problem is more on the output side, suppose that at some instant your battery voltage is 24.1 V, when the charger is producing 24.0V it will produce no current at all, if the turbine speeds up and the charger produces 24.2V, the batteries will take 50A and the turbine, now under load will slow down, so the voltage falls, so the current goes to zero, the turbine is now off load and speeds up. . .?
    At a first stab at a solution, suppose you adjusted the current limit on the charger back to 20A( maximum battery charging current), in the above example, the amount of braking the turbine will experiance would fall, so its speed would not reduce so much, so it might actually be able to sustain this current.
    With wind turbines there is a magic figure, which I think is 2/3, that relates to the turbines off load speed and the speed at which it gives maximum power output. Is there a similar speed for water turbines and how close/far away from this figure are you operating? i.e. when you are trying to drag all this power out of the turbine, is the waterflow going turbelent or something?
    Frank
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2008
     
    Perhaps the system is oscillating?
    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2008
     
    It was a lack of wattage that was causing the pulsing chuckey. I'm going to post a pictorial description of the hydro system next week now that I have it working well.
    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2008
     
    I'll also go into the pipe discussion and the lack of data that is available then. But for now assume that you put in the biggest pipe that you can afford and keep joints and bends to an absolute minimum.
    • CommentAuthorGBP-Keith
    • CommentTimeDec 3rd 2008
     
    • CommentAuthormike7
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2008 edited
     
    From caldoverde:-
    Do you know of any good reference material which goes into ideal pipe angles, etc?

    The pipe angle will be irrelevant - it is the height difference (head) that matters. Then just the diameter, length and bends to minimise losses, as per Keith above. Might have some data on this....
    • CommentAuthorhowdytom
    • CommentTimeDec 5th 2008
     
    mike7

    that's an amazing difference between a 90' bend and a 45'. Would that suggest that 2 45' bends with a straight between could be 30% better than a 90' ?
    tom
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