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    • CommentAuthormitchino
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2007 edited
     
    I see B&Q are selling this stuff, saw it on telly tonight. Made from 85% recycled plastic bottles, don't know what the other 15% is. It's cheap though, and claims the same performance as fibre glass, but no itching.
    Found the website at http://www.eco-wool.co.uk/ and found this as well: http://thegreenguy.typepad.com/thegreenguy/2007/10/my-fling-with-e.html

    There's a technical pdf available on the website, page 4 lists the specs and which tests have been done.

    What's the story? Is it any good?
  1.  
    Mitchinoo, looks very interesting to me. It seems to have all the necessary testing certification.

    It is not quite as effective as fibreglass by thickness as its thermal conductivity is higher. It would also be interesting to know what the other 15% is made from. Also how much energy is used in production.

    Are you saying it is cheaper than fibreglass?
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2007
     
    It's nice to know that someone has found a use for all the bottles we throw away but the 'technical information' is a bit thin. Nothing about fire resistance?
  2.  
    The list of 'test reports' doesn't actually give any 'reports', but does refer to fire resistance. Doesn't appear to have BBA cert, though?

    Nick
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2007
     
    Yes, it says, "Fire Test BS 5083-4 = Passed". I've no idea what that is. A little googling only associated 5083 with a standard for aluminium alloy, so that doesn't sound right.

    My first thought is that stuffing one's attic with fluffy pastic is not going to increase one's fire safety. Glass wool does not burn and attacking Thermafleece even with a blow torch doesn't produce a self-sustaining fire, just a slow charring.
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2007
     
    It should be BS 5803-4:1985 Thermal insulation for use in pitched roof spaces in dwellings. Methods for determining flammability and resistance to smouldering.
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2007
     
    Ah yes. I never was any good at anagrams.
  3.  
    I think I will just buy some at B&Q and take a blow torch to it:bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorhoya105
    • CommentTimeOct 19th 2007
     
    I saw this too1 but a quick calculation showed the thermafleece and loose warmcel combo we used was actually cheaper!
  4.  
    Now that does surprise me, where are you sourcing thermafleece?
    • CommentAuthorTony Reed
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2007
     
    biffvernon Said "but the 'technical information' is a bit thin. Nothing about fire resistance?",

    biff, not only is Eco-wool fully certified (including fire) to meet UK and indeed European requirments, it also carries EEC (cert scheme) funding and EST approval.

    Outside of this, every 1000 kg of PET Bottle we recycle saves 1500kg of carbon in our atmosphere, (Figure supplied by WRAP)

    you will be pleased to know that the product does not propogate flame and when source is removed the product extinguishes so blow torch away Mike.

    Every roll of Eco-wool produced using recycled material saves enough enrgy to power a 60w light bulb for nearly 300 hours, this is before it is installed when it continues to save energy and reduce our carbon impact on the enviroment.
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2007
     
    Good. I shall rush out and buy some. (Not too sure how the light bulb arithmetic works though.)
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: Tony Reedbiffvernon Said "but the 'technical information' is a bit thin. Nothing about fire resistance?",

    biff, not only is Eco-wool fully certified (including fire) to meet UK and indeed European requirments, it also carries EEC (cert scheme) funding and EST approval.

    Outside of this, every 1000 kg of PET Bottle we recycle saves 1500kg of carbon in our atmosphere, (Figure supplied by WRAP)

    you will be pleased to know that the product does not propogate flame and when source is removed the product extinguishes so blow torch away Mike.

    Every roll of Eco-wool produced using recycled material saves enough enrgy to power a 60w light bulb for nearly 300 hours, this is before it is installed when it continues to save energy and reduce our carbon impact on the enviroment.


    Hi Tony, Welcome to the forum.

    Congratulations on producing this product. [I was joking about the blowtorch by the way] It is obvious that the material would not be acceptable for use if it were in any way flamable. My one question is regarding cost. How does it compare to other insulations of the same ilk?
    • CommentAuthorBluemoon
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2007
     
    In Focus's Cardigan branch, they have rolls of white fluffy stuff, not sure if it's wool or a lookalike. Price is about £14 for a 4M roll, 390mm wide, 150mm thick.
    • CommentAuthorTony Reed
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2007
     
    Mike

    Cost is within range of the alternative space blanket product, 50p more per roll to be exact,
    we have tried to keep it as close as possible but it is a very expensive process to produce and fortunatley the usp's allow a little premium.

    hope the focus product is sheeps wool Blue as there is a patent pending on Eco-wool


    Tony
    • CommentAuthorTony Reed
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2007
     
    thanks for the welcome and the congrats btw Mike

    Tony
  5.  
    Off to B&Q then to have a closer look
  6.  
    '' In Focus's Cardigan branch, they have rolls of white fluffy stuff, not sure if it's wool ''. Such specialisation! Can those of us who wear tatty old jumpers go there too?
  7.  
    Got this from the ''Green Guy'' web-site referred to above:
    ''Hi Guys
    It seems that we have been a little short with the information on our packaging re: the other 15%, I can confirm that the other 15% is not mineral fibre and is identical in nature to the recycled material, however it is not recycled bottles.

    The thermal value of 0.425 means that it is slightly better that the loft glass vibre such as space blanket. Eco-Wool just doesnt itch.

    Tony Reed''

    Does ''identical in nature to the recycled material, however it is not recycled bottles'' mean that the ''other 15%'' is recycled some other plastic (in which case surely the packaging would say ''100% recycled plastic'', or does it mean it's 15% 'virgin' plastic? The latter, I guess.

    Nick

    YBS Insulation
    • CommentAuthormitchino
    • CommentTimeOct 21st 2007
     
    The TV ad I saw (I only caught the end) seemed to say it was '2 rolls for one' at B&Q, an offer they had last winter for other insulation. Or was I dreaming it? I have a fleece jacket made from recycled plastic bottles, and that keeps me very warm, so I have faith in the material.

    Our new B&Q megastore has just opened, so I'm popping down for a look.
    • CommentAuthormitchino
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2007
     
    Just been out to B&Q, bought one roll of Eco-Wool to check it out, and I was right, you get two for one at the moment on all B&Q insulation. It comes in 200mm and 150mm rolls, but my 200mm roll is actually just 2 x 100mm thicknesses. It comes out the pack compressed to around 120mm, but apparently expands over 24 hours to the full 200mm. You can kind of fluff it up a bit by hand. Cuts pretty easily with sharp scissors or a knife, and is very pleasant to handle, no irritation or dust. It feels very warm - it's kind of like polyester duvet filling but a bit denser. If it works as it's supposed to, I think it's a total winner.
  8.  
    How much did you pay? Its not in stock in my local B&Q
  9.  
    Just a note that the '2 for 1' is on roll insulation. It does not apply to Thermafleece or hemp, though B & Q told me that 'the offer might be extended in the next 8 weeks or so'.
    • CommentAuthormitchino
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2007
     
    I paid £14.98. So £7.49 a roll, 4m x 370mm x 200mm, works out at £5.06 per square metre. Not bad. I bought it in our brand new B&Q superstore on the outskirts of Edinburgh. They seem to be moving dare I say a little more upmarket in general, selling wood burning stoves, quite nice hardwood french doors, lots of eco friendly stuff etc etc.

    The offer of two for one on Thermafleece or hemp sounds very good, I'll believe it when I see it!
  10.  
    As a stockist of Thermafleece I'll be quite happy if you don't see it!! On the other hand as a 'gospel-spreader' for geeen building I'm delighted! Delighted, but poor!

    Nick
    • CommentAuthoradon30
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2007 edited
     
    Couldn't spot the offer on the website. I did notice something in my local B&Q on monday, but wasn't paying much attention.

    These are the links to the B&Q energy efficiency pages>

    http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/templates/content_lookup.jsp?content=/content/buyers_guides/energy/index.jsp&noleftnav=true

    http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/templates/content_lookup.jsp?content=/content/buyers_guides/energy/insulation.jsp&noleftnav=true

    As mentioned above: The advert does say buy one get one free on all 'roll' insulation products.

    Not as environmentally friendly but Wickes are doing 3 for 2 on mineral wool rolls. 170mm works out at £20 a roll (instead of £30).

    Particularly liked the dimmable energy efficient light bulbs that I just saw on the B&Q advert :bigsmile: Will look if there are any deals on these.

    Could the ECO-Wool be used under a wooden floor??
    • CommentAuthormitchino
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2007
     
    Don't see why not, I only wish it was available in wider rolls, I'm having to butt joint it a lot to fit my rather oddly spaced joists. It is a joy to work with though.

    My new B&Q is also stocking Megaman bulbs now, but not the dimmable variety unfortunately.

    It's great to see some progress being made with the big DIY sheds selling eco products. Must mean that your average Joe is beginning to make the right purchasing decisions.
    • CommentAuthorbiffvernon
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2007
     
    Do they still sell patio heaters?
  11.  
    ''Under-patio heating would require a lower flow temperature and must therefore be kinder to the environment''. Discuss. ; )
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      CommentAuthorOlly
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2007 edited
     
    Posted By: adon30
    Particularly liked the dimmable energy efficient light bulbs that I just saw on the B&Q advert :bigsmile: Will look if there are any deals on these.

    I bought some switch dimmable CFLs about a year ago, they work pretty well, you flip the switch on to switch on (not surprisingly), then if you want to dim you flick the switch off then on, the lamp then fluctuates in brightness, going up and down, you then flick the switch off then on again to select the brightness you want. You can now get CFLs which work on a standard dimmer, however they're not cheap, I think £10-£15 last time I looked.

    Best place for standard CFLs is Morrisions (made by Phillips), 39p each last time I bought some!
   
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