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Housing - New Build: New planning directive

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    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2011
     
    They propose to relax the planning rules to allow "sustainable developments"

    Please note the plural use now, even though no one knows what the term means

    Sounds to me like the floodgates are about to open to loads of new housing developments (all being tagged as "sustainable")
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2011
     
    There is the difficulty, " define sustainable"? --- ecobabble, greenwash, spring to mind.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2011
     
    So, now, Ben Law wouldn't have all the problems he experienced.

    What owlman? Surely not? So what do they mean "sustainable"? Haven't we already had this discussion? :wink:
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2011
     
    As I understand it this is an attempt to make it easier to get PP for wind farms. They will be presumed acceptable if there is no local policy to the contrary. The government has already sent out a letter to planning officers warning that applicants will be referring to this change of policy and that they should therefore consider taking it into account immediatly.
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2011
     
    Has anyone got a link to the text of this new rule/guidance, please?

    I suspect it will be of little help to those looking for a way to build a more sustainable home, but is really, as has been suggested above, a way to force planners to accept wind or PV farms and the like.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2011
     
    and new housing estates
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2011
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: JSHarris</cite>Has anyone got a link to the text of this new rule/guidance, please?

    I suspect it will be of little help to those looking for a way to build a more sustainable home, but is really, as has been suggested above, a way to force planners to accept wind or PV farms and the like.</blockquote>

    This is the letter advising planners to take into account the new policy. Has links to the new policies..

    http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/pins/advice_for_inspectors/nppf_consult.pdf
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2011
     
    Thanks, you're right, nothing much there to support those wanting to build more sustainably. However, I'd missed this comment in the previously released statement (that's repeated in your linked document):

    "grant permission where the plan is absent, silent, indeterminate or where relevant policies are out of date"

    Given the mish-mash we have in our area at the moment I think this may well be of help to a friend who has had several applications rejected, all for different reasons, none of which seem to match any stated policy or guidance.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeSep 4th 2011 edited
     
    When I heard the BBC reporting that the government was looking to introduce a "presumption in favour of sustainable development" I couldn't work out what they meant. So I just omitted the word sustainable and all became clear.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeSep 4th 2011
     
    :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorJohn B
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
     
    Posted By: ShevekWhen I heard the BBC reporting that the government was looking to introduce a "presumption in favour of sustainable development" I couldn't work out what they meant. So I just omitted the word sustainable and all became clear.

    The way I read it, "sustainable development" means sustainable economic growth, which is an oxymoron, and a totally different definition to the one I'm sure we understand :devil:
    • CommentAuthordickster
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
     
    Surely this is just the goverment giving fat cats and the government itself the nod for stuff they want to do, (railways roughshod over the public, housing estates where we don't want them etc), but in return you can build your little (or very big) house without those nasty planners getting in the way. We already have recieved a questionaire from local man who's got himself on the local council asking (in a skewed way) what developments we would want to see in our area. Strangely enough, he wants to build himself a new house, but has been constantly turned down by the planners.

    It is only a matter of time (unless it's already happened), before councils are made up of people with their own self interests in mind. Then the floodgates open. Anyone who wants to see the results only has to pop over to Ireland, where each little old rural cottage has a new and larger breeze block partner sitting alongside it.

    I don't want to be a councillor, I want planning departments to act on my behalf.
    • CommentAuthortiimjp1
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
     
    Dickster,

    Your question "before councils are made up of people with their own self interests in mind" !!!

    I think this has been the case with councils and government for hundreds of years, don't you? (i'm guessing sarcasm in there somewhere).
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
     
    I agree John. The word they should use in this economic context is "sustained" not sustainable.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
     
    Posted By: tonyThey propose to relax the planning rules to allow "sustainable developments"

    Please note the plural use now, even though no one knows what the term means

    Where does the plural usage occur? I can't find it at all in the draft framework.

    On the other hand, I do find the definition of sustainable development as point 10 on page 3.

    I don't agree with everything it says, but if you want to attack it then at least do so fairly.
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
     
    Surely it would be logical to assume that no new development can be passed under these guidelines until all local plans have had a chance to be updated? Together with the required wide ranging public consultation process that will take several years.

    Therefore this change can have no immediate effect whatsoever.

    Or are the government planning to do something illegal and underhand?
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
     
    Posted By: ted Surely it would be logical to assume that no new development can be passed under these guidelines until all local plans have had a chance to be updated? Together with the required wide ranging public consultation process that will take several years.
    Therefore this change can have no immediate effect whatsoever.
    Or are the government planning to do something illegal and underhand?


    That also chimes well with Eric Pickles statement on the News today that the process was, "to give more say to local communities." So presumably any applications could be fillibustered indefinitely if the local support is there. Unless of course the small print gives others the power of veto? Surely not???:wink:
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    As I understand, National guidance is still a material planning consideration over and above what's in the local plan.

    I think that whatever happens; in a fight between right wing free marketeer developers and right wing ruralists refereed by Osborne and Pickles, with the Town and Country Planning Profession throwing banana skins all over the ring... ...well lets just say its going to be yet another don't know whether to laugh or cry moments caused by this lot... with 'hilarious' ( :wink: ), unintended consequences the rule not the exception..

    :devil:

    J
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    God forbid that people should have houses built. Lets keep the housing stock low so that the peasants have to pay through the nose for a roof over their head.
    • CommentAuthortiimjp1
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
     
    Its on the news right now
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    It's not that planning doesn't need reforming... please don't get me started on that but there is only a reasonably small slushy snowball's chance in hell that this lot will manage to not make it all a lot worse!

    Notwithstanding, all the planning changes in the world won't move land out of the ownership of the few to the ownership if us peasants.

    J
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    its not about land ownership, there are plenty of farmers who would willingly sell some land that could be used to build ecologicaly minded housing for the common man. Its only Nimbyism and the shockingly bad design and quality of new build that prevents a good quality, suitable housing stock at affordable prices.

    instead we throw money at wars and Olympic games. All that money could have been spent housing people in affordable, low energy homes.
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    I take the agricultural land argument to a certain extent*, however what makes you think the common man is ecologically minded...?

    :wink:

    * http://libcom.org/news/article.php/land-ownership-right-roam-uk-10032006

    J
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2011
     
    By heck as like, Jim. That's you on a Special Branch list! And if it gets a bit quiet down Exeter way, it's because Tom's gone off to join them on the barricades. :shocked:
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2011 edited
     
    Monbiot:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/05/george-osborne-motorway-sustainable-development

    <blockquote>Impervious to experience, strangers to reason: the communities secretary, Eric Pickles, and the chancellor, George Osborne, have learned nothing from the economic crisis. They claim that laxer town planning "is key to our economic recovery". But the European countries hit hardest by the economic crisis – Greece, Italy, Spain and Ireland – have weak planning controls and urban sprawl. The nations that have proved most resilient have tougher laws and compact settlements.</blockquote>

    Worth reading in full.

    P.S. how do you do a link and blockquote on this forum?
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2011 edited
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Shevek</cite>P.S. how do you do a link and blockquote on this forum?</blockquote>

    Use the quote feature (as you have) that automatically inserts HTML tags (or you can add tags yourself if you wish), but make sure you click the HTML radio button under the text box before you post, otherwise the post gets sent as plain text and the HTML tags are ignored.
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    If I recall its one or the other...

    J
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2011 edited
     
    <blockquote>This is a test blockquote</blockquote>

    with a test <a href="http://www.meaninglesstesturl.com">hyperlink</a>

    Seems to sort of work, but doesn't correctly interpret the hyperlink in the way it should
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    Well done... :bigsmile:

    J
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    Posted By: JoinerThat's you on a Special Branch list!

    The good list...? Surely you mean the good list...?

    :sad:

    J
    :wink:

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