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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2011 edited
     
    I'm stuck with potential objections to the use of solar PV by the planners fro a new build, plus I have some potentially awkward remaining roof areas available where conventional PV panels aren't going to fit well.

    Whilst up at the Big Green Home Show last week I saw some reconstituted slate roofing that looked good and also found that the same firm do some "PV slates" that integrate panels into the roof itself. It's not a cheap option, but it may be a way of getting a decent PV array on the roof without looking too unsightly. The supplier I found was:
    http://www.nu-sustainable.co.uk/solarPVsystem.php
    and I wonder if anyone has any experience of using their system.

    They offer a 50 year guarantee on their roofing products and I am leaning towards using them anyway, as the cost is comparable with slate, but I'm not sure about the PV option.
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    Hi John, Have just read your post having just received in the post (the royal version) this morning a sample of the Nu-Lok roofing system, comprising Slate (Spanish) couple of sections of galvanized rail (replacing timber battens) and link channels with clips. I am seriously considering using this system for several reasons, lighter loading on roof as fewer slates required, due to no requirement for double lapping, the potential for self installation and most relevant to your post the potential to retro fit flush PV panels. I am at early stages of investigation so have as yet no experience of it in use but I am impressed with the component parts and as a system.
    Andrew
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
     
    Thanks for that. I was similarly impressed when I saw it on their stand at the self-build and renovation centre, but the chap on the stand didn't seem very clued up on the PV side of things. Their brochure arrived in the post this morning, which prompted this thread.

    I like the low weight and quick fixing method, plus the finished roof looked very good to me. From the ground I think it would be hard to distinguish it from solid slate. The fact that the slates are made from recycled slate waste also seemed a plus point.
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    Hi John,
    I need to check on Monday what actual slate I have received, the accompanying letter lists it as a Spanish slate but it could be a composite. I usually have a good eye for a reproduction but in this case not to sure. Would you be self installing (or via your own installers) or using their approved contractors. The big bonus for me re. the solar element was what appears to be the relatively simple procedure of retro fitting panels and the neatness of flush fitting.
    Andrew
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
     
    The ones I saw at the show looked very much like composite, but a very realistic composite and claimed to be made from 40% recycled slate waste, I believe. The colour and detailing of the edges looked pretty good to me.

    I'd probably get them to do the installation, as their installers should be familiar with the system. Like you, the flush fitting solar tiles looks to me to be the big advantage, both in terms of appearance and in being able to get an easier solar installation into the space on the south facing roof that will be available (there will be four roof lights on that side, plus a single dormer out over the front door, meaning there's not much clear area).

    Jeremy
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    Having done a self build and not being able to afford real slate we went for a composite. The new system you're talking about saves considerably on the mount of slates needed thus making real slate an affordable option.

    Go for the real slate - my composite, now 8 years old, has not weathered well and distorts in extreme sun. The distortion then pops the coppers fixings out (the pin that holds the lower edge of the slate down). I think I have replaced about 60% of them on the south facing roof - I should have gone for real slate!
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    I do wonder how efficient the integrated/solar tiles PV are in height of summer, with no air gap how does the panels keep cool?
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: Phil.Chaddah-Duke</cite>I do wonder how efficient the integrated/solar tiles PV are in height of summer, with no air gap how does the panels keep cool?</blockquote>

    I doubt that the air gap behind a conventional panel does much in the way of getting rid of excess heat, to be honest. The four panels I have on the canopy of my solar powered boat don't get that hot on the back surface, yet can easily be too hot to comfortably touch on the front face. There is limited air flow behind these solar tiles, but only the normal gap you get behind slates or tiles, just the batten height.

    They aren't as efficient as some other panels, plus they are a bit more expensive, but if the option is use them or don't have PV on the roof (which is pretty much what I'm faced with) then they don't look too bad. It looks like the solar tiles that Nu-Sustainable are offering may be these, from Solar Century: http://www.solarcentury.co.uk/public/cms/79/103/103/120/C21e%20Slate%20Datasheet%20M47-H39%20%28GB%29.pdf?realName=OtVNjz.pdf
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeNov 5th 2011
     
    Hi Folks,

    Also looking at this nu-lok system. They do several different 'tiles'. One is spanish slate, but they also do a ceramic tile that looks like slate (I have a sample). This is my favoured covering at the moment as I think it is cheaper and virtually indestructible I suspect. I had Marley Monarch slate substitute on my last house and they are awful to the extent that they have now been discontinued. The surface degraded leaving a light grey finish. Marley replaced the whole roof as this had happened within the 10 year BBA certificate life. They tried to tell me is was discolouration but you could clearly see the actual surface wearing away. 4 years later and they were on the way again before I sold. suffice to say I will not touch any slate substitute again (except this ceramic).

    Nu-lok site has recently gone down. They system looks great though.
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    Thanks for the comments, Will ask for a sample of the ceramic slate then can do a direct comparison but I suspect from what has been said they are a vast improvement on the early cement based tiles. As Jeremy (apologies for calling you John) says presumably there is a certain amount of air movement behind the PV panels due to the fact that there is an air gap formed by the galvanized rails (battens) and in our case this would be enhanced slightly by requiring counter battening (or some form of spacer) as the roof is fully boarded. Will try to update if we proceed down this path, which seems very likely.
    Andrew
    • CommentAuthorRex
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2011
     
    I have Nu-lok ceramic tiles on my roof and have to admit that I am very pleased with the result.

    They supplied an installer to help with the initial fitting, after that my builder and myself basically did it all. Main reason we went with Nu-Lok was that a/ we wanted a tile that had a very good water run-off as we are collecting it in a 6500l tank and b/ their ceramic slate will virtually not allow any moss or algae growth. Regarding water run-off, we even have dew running off!

    There galvanized steel batten need wooden counter batten to attach to, and a big nail gun. Other than that, just man-power.

    Have not investigated their PV panels but for me, one of the benefits would be that it totally integrates with the existing roof rather than being a bolt on.

    Additional Nu-Lok benefit is that should one wish to remove or replace just one tile, that can be done in a few seconds (although it will take longer to get access.)

    Rex
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeNov 6th 2011
     
    Posted By: RexI have Nu-lok ceramic tiles on my roof and have to admit that I am very pleased with the result.


    Good to hear of someone using it and being very pleased!
    • CommentAuthorseasons
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2011
     
    the system discussed was installed in our new build by nu-lok.
    the system formed an integral part of the roof structure,which suited or rather appeased the planning authority.
    both system and installation would form part of any futher project that i was contemplating.
    the system is ideal in sensitive or exposed areas.
    having spent 39 years practising as a chartered surveyor i can recommend the system.
    finally you save on slates/tiles which allowed us to use welsh slate
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2011
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: seasons</cite>the system discussed was installed in our new build by nu-lok.
    the system formed an integral part of the roof structure,which suited or rather appeased the planning authority.
    both system and installation would form part of any futher project that i was contemplating.
    the system is ideal in sensitive or exposed areas.
    having spent 39 years practising as a chartered surveyor i can recommend the system.
    finally you save on slates/tiles which allowed us to use welsh slate</blockquote>

    Very many thanks, these personal experiences are worth far more (in my view) than any amount of advertising hype. I'm hopeful that I can get the planners to accept this system, as it does seem to me to be pretty good all round. Another thing that is encouraging is the comment about moss not growing on the surface. I have a concrete tile roof at the moment and have to remove around a wheelbarrow load or more of moss off the roof each year, or else it ends up in the gutters (having said that I've just done the annual roof and gutter clean and fitted "hedgehogs" in the gutter, in an attempt to keep the moss out).
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