Jon? Joe? Too close to be a coincidence ...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRq1vSKZCjaSugy3uohfJG_a9Y6RqhEcE3Gm1hkoldKaxcgxun5IQ was (is?) the remains, hidden deep in Czech forest, of Viktor Schauberger's spooky zero-gravity (flying saucer) experiments, at SS gunpoint, employing Jewish scientists taken from the camps, the prototype of which allegedly took off unexpectedly and destroyed itself, on almost the last day of WW2. US techno snatch-squad was there 2 days later (they knew what it was) and took everything. The Russians got there a week too late.

Schauberger (like von Braun) was tempted to US, but about mid-50s the whole zero-gravity project went onto the secret list, Schauberger was robbed of rights to his life's work, silenced and sent home to Austria to die a few weeks later.

The technology involves dislocations of time and space, is incredibly dangerous 'in wrong hands', is reputedly incorporated in stealth aircraft, would render aerospace investment is aerodynamics valueless overnight, so remains suppressed. See http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hunt-Zero-Point-Nick-Cook/dp/0099414988/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323431230&sr=1-1

Posted By: jonedit; Oh I see; jon/joe coincidence. ROFL." alt="" src="http:///forum114/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/bigsmile.gif" >

Playing innocent

Cover it in yogurt , how cool would it look covered in moss, fungi, ivy and ferns. Demolishing it would just be a waste of money and whilst were at it maybe ask him what it's for. Where is his local pub?

Mayo and yogurt don't sound good together

Did you ever get round to reading the book Tom?

Yoghurt....mayo...Notting Hill all over again.

You aren't half getting cynical in yer dotAGE fostertom. You'll be telling us next that Allied bombing raids were especially directed to miss certain prime German mfrg targets, or that I G Farben and Co were the amazing war-surviving force behind modern-day Big Pharma....

It is a shame that Schauberger did not go to university, he would have made a very good engineer.

<blockquote><cite>Posted By: Joiner</cite>Rubbish, none of the giants of engineering went to university.

Brunel, Stephenson, Dibnah, Kevin Webster!</blockquote>

I love the inclusion of Fred in there

Posted By: SteamyTeashame that Schauberger did not go to university, he would have made a very good engineer

gd job he didn't - wd have had all that intuitive stuff knocked out of him. S met Hitler pre-war, told him that the Reich wd collapse in 10yrs unless it changed direction. Hitler said 'give this man everything he needs', research-wise, but H's staff didn't think S was a proper scientist so gave him nothing.

Posted By: fostertomgd job he didn't - wd have had all that intuitive stuff knocked out of him

I am not so sure about that. A fair slice of an engineering course is teaching students mathematics (you get 3 to 5 years to become fluent in it), not as if learning a new language knocks out the creativity from someone.
If you take marine energy harvesting, there are several lovely designs around, from bobbing buoys to floating rubbers, hydroplanes to turbines. The only ones that have been tested so far are the conventional ones (and not one has been tested down here at the Wave Hub). These all rely on engineers. The initial concept may come from a 3 'o' clock dream, but the hardware certainly does not, nor the infrastructure to support it.
It is easy to pick an invention that comes from an unqualified person, but much harder to identify the team of engineers that designed a novel product embedded within another product. Think ABS breaking, collision avoidance, GPS, the Ring Main, Float Glass.
The reason we have formal engineering training is to save time not to stifle innovation, that is done quite nicely by accountants and lawyers, civil servants and politicians, the media and pressure groups.

Posted By: JoinerAny more stiflers of innovation spring to mind?

Those giants that we sit on the shoulders of

Who was it that said they will 'defend your right to be wrong'.

A year ago they had a things about the greatest inventions that changed society. Think it may have been the telephone that won it. Interesting thing is that the telephone is just a medium for transmitting information, just like writing, pictures and language.

Apart from Quantum Physics (which is really odd), can anyone think of anything that has really changed things and had no predecessor.

"Apart from Quantum Physics (which is really odd), can anyone think of anything that has really changed things and had no predecessor. "

They all had predecessors of some sort? Perhaps even gravity and relativity.

I don't know whether or not the (superseded) idea of a geocentric heavens holds any interest for anyone involved in the renewable energy field. Just in case it has, and if I should make the data fully available, I've put up an interest link below:

http://heavenshenge.blogspot.com/2011/12/renewable-energy-sustainability.html

cheers

Jon

The only effect of his lack of formal scientific education, was witholding of support for him.

What do you mean Tom? If an idea sounds impossible, people will judge it to be so in the first 30 seconds: It's reasonable to no longer have an interest? As a rule, major ideas take a decade or so to get taken up.

Why do you think a lack of scientific education caused people to withhold support?

Everyone has a vested interest in the status quo if they have children, mortgage, loans, or a job of some sort. That interest may be +ve or -ve, but don't go singling out scientists and engineers as prone to special guilt please, if that's what you are doing.

Rgds

Damon

Posted By: DamonHDdon't go singling out scientists and engineers as prone to special guilt

Not at all - scientists and engineers frequently claim to be uniquely above all that, because of their open, enquiring 'scientific' minds and methods that they're trained for, unlike mere humans. Scientists and engineers are notorious for hiding behind mountains of burden of proof, that they require before they'll even look at something wacky. Not all, just the humanly conservative ones, who deep down feel uncomfortable, like the rest of us, when the boat gets rocked too much. It's a specially effective means of defence, that only scientists and engineers have access to, if they're so minded, which they often are - ridiculous to deny that.

Schauberger was frequently dissed, right thro his career, simply on grounds that the scientific establishment saw he had few letters after his name. Some of that because he was difficult to understand, with his self-invented terminology, but also pure snobbery and turf-protection. They certainly missed many tricks as a result, and the world is poorer for that.