Has anyone seen the official C & F wind turbine AEPs? I have been trying desperately to see what these turbines can do but cannot find any of their official MCS data. Can anyone help?

I think every man and his dog have been trying to get C&F MCS data but it seems to be as elusive as the scarlet pimpernel!!! Their website is also down "currently upgrading" and all previous power curves have been pulled from dealers websites??? surely if you had been waiting on mcs accred you would be shouting from the rooftops or are the figures not too good???

which turbine to go for in the under 20kW category is a nightmare..

Not wanting to over egg it but my Gaia is happily churning out 11.4kW at 8.5m/s wind - nothing else would come close in the small wind category. Seems if the C&Fs did that they would be only too pleased to tell you.
Perhaps the MCS website should show the production test data, otherwise why have accredited turbines at all?

Not really the best way to promote small wind. If you're not 100% up front and honest then it's only going to hurt the industry long term. Probably best to look for another manufacturer as its too much money to take a punt.

C&F 20kW lost a blade the other day near huntly in Aberdeen don't know if it's the same one I saw today heading down the 77 on the back of a lorry towards the Irish ferry?? Check out the British farming forum or check the press and journal for report. This turbine might just be the second best turbine in the world lol

I agree with you windy but I fear there will be alot of heartache due the wild claims on their turbines and as you say the reluctance to show mcs output. C&F will be at the dairy expo at Carlisle I would suggest anyone going to their stand to ask for mcs data!!!

Posted By: St11ckjI would suggest anyone going to their stand to ask for mcs data!!!

Good luck, not to do with turbines, but I was at a building show and there were loads of wood burners there. I asked for performance data, as they claimed efficiency was very high, but not one of them had it 'to hand'. Strange that.

I see the CF11 is now on the MCS list - a great relief to a neighbour, who has been waiting on that for ages...

<blockquote><cite>Posted By: St11ckj</cite>I had no luck when I asked mint energy at the show. The guy shrugged his shoulders and said c&f aren't releasing them, why??? He couldn't answer but said Gaia were loving it saying the figures must be crap and that's why they're not released... Their website is still "coming soon" but as you have to publish mcs data on your web page as part of mcs I can't see that happening anytime soon..</blockquote>

I had the same experience with a different C & F reseller, they said they had not been released by the company that carried out the testing. This particular reseller was still quoting the original figures from C & F's brochures which don't seem anywhere near the figures people with C & F turbines are reporting. There is a thread on the British Farming Forum where the owner is talking about his producing 30% less than he was told to expect. I thought the whole point of the MCS was to give us the ability to compare like with like, how can we do so when munufacturers won't release the figures?

If the wind meter thing isn't covered buy warrantee then couldn't you get one through an independent supplier for say £160?
Some ones taking the p.

They changed the anonometer on their models along with a stronger yaw motor in the summer and called it an upgrade costing £3,000 !! Yes you could buy one cheaper but how do you get the turbine up and down plus if you fix it yourself then you have tampered with the machine so warranty could become invalid!!!

So the MCS accreditation is rubbish then. They say a turbine has Passed but offer no data, so if you wanted the noise data for your planning application and the manufacturer didn't give it to you how would you verify the noise performance - simply saying it's MCS accredited simply wouldn't wash.
What's the point of an accreditation if you can't see the accreditation data. Pointless rubbish.

Neighbour no longer awaiting C&F install. Now looking for an alternative. The Gaia appeals but apparently the site is too windy for it. Bergey & XZERES are among the alternatives being looked at...

Posted By: windy lambSkyewright -
I think Gaias are suitable up to about 7m/s annual average.

Down where I am the average is 6m/s (measured, not based on published 'stats' ). His turbine site is more exposed. We had a temporary anemometer up there for a while last year. I understand that Gaia themselves think it too windy (there would also be the matter of putting up the Gaia lattice tower, which would apparently require a tracked crane hire that could work out very expensive because of the remote location).

...homework...Too much money to risk otherwise.

Hence the change of mind on previous plans...

Posted By: windy lambGaia...hydraulic tubular tower...surprised that it's too windy as your 6m/s site would be ideal...

To clarify.
I'm in a 6m/s location. I don't have space for a turbine (of any substantial size).
My neighbour has a substantially > 6m/s location up on the hill and is looking to install a turbine somewhere in the 10 to 15kW range.
I just mentioned the Gaia hydraulic option to him and he'd heard of it but so far as he's aware it's currently a development rather than something already available?
He's currently trying to make head or tail of noise data and finding it hard to find similar (i.e. easily compared) data for the Gaia, XZERES & Bergey. He can find similar figures for the first 2, but the Bergey figures he has are in a different form.