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    • CommentAuthorpmagowan
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2012
     
    Yes, fun new toy to help me get the insulation right. We have a number of projects going on currently in the family and so it should help with all of them. My walls are cold and it is not 'a risk' for condensation, it is a current problem. There are many places in my house where water flows down the walls but this is hopefully what my renovation will sort out. Steamy tea, you have been watching 'Titanic' a bit too much!:tongue:
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2012
     
    Ah yes, took me two sittings to get through that film, kept falling asleep. Did not go down well with the G/F as she thought it was brilliant.:bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorJT101
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2012
     
    I came across this sort of comment several times on the web:

    having used blackout lining on curtains for 15 (!) double-glazed windows/patio doors I can tell you that in very cold weather they can create a difference of up to 12C between window recess temperature and room temperature. However you can get a convection loop as cold air falls thru the gap at the bottom and warm air enters at the top. This can reduce the temp differential by 50% or more and so negate the benefit of the curtains.

    I could use magnetic strips on the right and lefthand sides to stick the curtain to the wall, but how do I best eliminate the gap at the top and bottom?
    • CommentAuthorpmagowan
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2012
     
    Pelmet at the top, extra long curtains so that they sit on the ground at the bottom. Most curtains that are made properly will curl back at the outside edge and so form a reasonable seal with the wall.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2012
     
    I am just in the process of making wooden shutters for my windows. Even in their unfinished state they have made quite a difference. In Switzerland most properties have some sort of shutter. It always impressed me what a difference have the metal slatted shutter used to make. I suppose this was because they created a barrier between the cold wind and the window.

    it is a shame that shutters are no longer so popular here in the UK.

    Jonti
    • CommentAuthorGavin_A
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2012
     
    I've just measured a 2 degree surface temperature difference between the curtains over a window, and the same style double glazed window in the same room with no curtains (18deg vs 16 deg).

    It's not very cold out though, and I've measured bigger differences than this before.

    IMO the use of heavy curtains is one of the main reasons that the real world energy usage figures for old single glazed buildings are often so much lower than the sap estimates, as I believe SAP doesn't count the impact of curtains at all (happy to be corrected on that if I'm wrong btw).
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    If you search for "thermal curtains" on ebay there are lots available including, ready mades, linings and material.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2012
     
    Posted By: JT101...........I could use magnetic strips on the right and lefthand sides to stick the curtain to the wall, but how do I best eliminate the gap at the top and bottom?

    Hook and loop,---VELCRO. And/or sew weights into the bottom seam, You can get lead weights on a roll, they look like a kind of continuous bootlace with the lead inside the "tube".
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    I would like to fit heavy curtains in my house as it has single glazed windows (listed building, can't replace, quite decorative), but in every room the radiator is under the window, so if I have full length curtains the heat will all go to the window and not the room. The radiators are all being replaced anyway, any thoughts about asking to have them hung with a gap behind so that the curtain can be drawn behind, or am I just being silly?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2012
     
    Just them them moved to an internal wall, or box them in with a gap behind them.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2012
     
    Posted By: raffertyrat................I would like to fit heavy curtains in my house as it has single glazed windows (listed building, can't replace, quite decorative), but in every room the radiator is under the window, so if I have full length curtains the heat will all go to the window and not the room. The radiators are all being replaced anyway, any thoughts about asking to have them hung with a gap behind so that the curtain can be drawn behind, or am I just being silly?

    Put radiator shelves over the rads extending out beyond the rad and then have shorter curtains just resting on the shelf.
    • CommentAuthorskyewright
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2012
     
    Posted By: owlmanPut radiator shelves over the rads extending out beyond the rad and then have shorter curtains just resting on the shelf.

    If you have cats, you'll always know where to find them... :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2012
     
    Posted By: skyewright<......................If you have cats, you'll always know where to find them

    Yes, and don't ever inadvertantly run your fingers along the shelf edge. :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2012
     
    Posted By: skyewrightIf you have cats, you'll always know where to find them...

    Well, one lies on the radiator shelf but the other one lies just outside the airing cupboard .... I guess it's telling me where I need some more insulation.
    • CommentAuthordickster
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2012
     
    Poor old Smudge (RIP) used to lie on the double rad, with her front paws tucked under the central metal strap across top. Warm as toast.
    AAaaah.!

    She would frequently vomit into rad and then we would have to squirt water down fins to clean rad before it baked on and rendered GCH smelly or useless.
    Aaaargh!

    Got two dogs now.
    • CommentAuthorskyewright
    • CommentTimeFeb 23rd 2012
     
    Posted By: dickster...squirt water down fins to clean rad before it baked on and rendered GCH smelly or useless.

    ROFLOL. Priceless!!!! The joys of being staff[1] to a cat. :bigsmile:
    Good job I'd just finished my coffee, else I'd have been needing to clean down the keyboard.


    [1] Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.
    • CommentAuthorPaul_B
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2012
     
    Coming to the post late but I agree from personal experience that curtains can make a huge difference, whether or not this is all down to physics or some element of psychology I am not sure. For the the first three years we lived in our home we had no curtains in the living room and during winter it always felt cold. Certainly sitting under a raised bay window (sorry can't remember the technical word) was so uncomfortable that you would move, even though the room temperature was around 20. For the last two years we've fitted heavy curtains with blackout lining. The room feels much warmer and we can sit under the raised bay.

    I do wonder how much is due to the length of the curtain, we tend to go for full length curtains rather than those that fall just under the window cill. Does the curtain not only impact the raidated heat but also impact convection currents? Would the choice of wall as the main material also help with mould control as it is hygroscopic?

    Of course closing a curtain with the radiator behind it would have negative impact but I'm sure no-one on here would do such a thing. In addition curtains have a part to play in the summer to stop overheating. We close ours and open the window which for most nights makes the room more bearable when we have a particuliarly hot period.

    Paul
    • CommentAuthorecohome
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2012
     
    ah, sorry I've only just spotted this thread..... the Scottish study was very interesting & had I known about it, I might have developed my thermal blinds sooner! Have been in correspondence with Paul Baker & hope to collaborate. Although I haven't had any specific feedback about black mould on the window-side of the fabric I fear it might happen in time, though the mere fact of regular opening & closing of blinds should keep the air flowing. In our kitchen where we have alternative sources of light, the one remaining single glazed sash has my prototype blind on it and this often stays down for days on end in cold periods.

    During the test period the outside temp was around 2C (5C with the blind up, showing how much heat was outflowing!), temp. between glass & blind was 7C when the room temp was 19C - when the blind was not down the air temp just in front of the glass was 16C.

    The blinds seal to the existing frame with sewn-in magnets, plus self-adhesive ones on the frame (10mm diam. x 1mm - a strip magnetic seal didn't work nearly as well as the (roman) blinds didn't fold / unfold properly). See http://thermalblind.wordpress.com/performance/ for technical details & graphs of the tests.
    • CommentAuthorDianeBro
    • CommentTimeDec 31st 2012
     
    I too have only just seen this. If its any use to anyone you can get a thermal lining for curtains, its also good for blacking out. Its cream but made of rubber I think, though looks like an ordinary curtain lining. You can then have light weight curtains with equal value in keeping light out and heat in of a heavy curtain.

    Buy it at John Lewis (sign!)
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