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    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012 edited
     
    Just came across this and thought it worth sharing . Anyone used one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQZLI9Oqirs
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    Effective. I'll get one. Bit on the expensive side...

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MORTA-SORTA-MORTAR-JOINT-RAKE-RAKING-GUIDE-PLATE-KIT-/370500090286

    ...but looks worth it for the ease of use and ability to shift the dust, which is always a problem.

    Might get the longer bit too because I've got a lot of spalled bricks to replace and it's always a chore drilling them out.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    And what's he doing showing one of his blokes using an angle grinder with a diamond blade without a guard fitted? :devil:
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012 edited
     
    I thought I may find someone willing to test it for me :tooth:

    I was actually looking for a different raking tool I have seen, though I cannot remember the name. Its two tungstem tipped axe shaped blades, which move against each other. It can also cut deep enough to remove complete bricks when retro fitting cavity trays. Since it doesn't rotate like a grinder the dust is also reduced.

    I guess you don't know what its called?
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012 edited
     
    Hi Mike - I think it's called a 'Fury'. Have a look on http://www.evolutionpowertools.co.uk/euro/evolution_furytwin.html

    Edited - you're right. this what I was looking for

    Arbortech AS160 900 Watt Industrial Oscillating Cutting Saw 240 & 110 volt
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012 edited
     
    Thanks Steve. Nice looking machine, though its not the one I'm thinking of. The one I've seen has two blades which move in the same way [against each other] thoughthey only move around say 60 degrees of a circle before going back the opposite direction.. Probably not explaining this very well:sad:
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012 edited
     
    Found a link to the Arbotech rake, but you'll blink at the price!!

    http://www.angliatoolcentre.co.uk/arbortech-as170-allsaw-pid8371.html
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    That's the one!

    It is awesome, especially for taking whole bricks out. Eats through sand and cement.

    Though I will be sticking to hiring at that price
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012 edited
     
    Found this whilst looking too... http://pointmaster.co.uk/?gclid=CPOQ3peq3K4CFU8MfAodA02UXA

    And there's this one Mike... http://www.pwm-distribution.com/html/plunge_cutting.html

    There's a pdf with details of the (twin) blades used.

    (Ha! So busy looking that Steve had posted his link whilst I was still looking.) :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012 edited
     
    Nice one ! Pointmaster looks verrrry impressive
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    The things my imaginary friends get excited about on a sunny spring Saturday is really worrying.:bigsmile:
    But having said that, I am after a planer/thicknesser and some kind of router/spindle moulder. It has to be very cheap, but good enough to do up to about 100mm if timber. Any ideas.

    Maybe Keith should set up a useful/useless tools category.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012 edited
     
    You can pick them up second-hand, but it's a bit of a hit-and-miss situation.

    This one is a smashing little machine...

    http://www.charnwood.net/shop/product/charnwood-bench-top-planer-thicknesser-8-x-5?cid=62

    I bought one for use on site to save having to keep going back to the workshop. Small enough to leave in the Transit, it did a smashing job. I was lucky enough to walk into my local Paskins just as they were putting one into their sale and bought it for £147. It really is a good little piece of kit. Sold it to a mate for £125 when I closed the workshop.

    I also had a brilliant spindle moulder that you could also fit an adaptor to that converted it to a router table. Again, a brilliant piece of kit for turning out the odd small profile that would have been awkward to produce on the larger machine. I'm waiting for a call from a mate to see if he can remember the name of it! :shamed:
    • CommentAuthorCav8andrew
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012 edited
     
    Mike, when I looked at these (Arbortech) oscillating saws Kango/Milwaukee also made a version. I was interested in hiring one to see how effective they are, found it very hard to find a branch that still stocked them. I think the problem is that the blade tips are quite vulnerable and shear quite easily retipping is expensive and new blades are almost as expensive as the machine, which is why I imagine they are sometimes available on ebay at very reasonable prices. It a neat idea though if it substantially reduced dust.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    Shall have a look on fleabay late and see if I can find one locally. Thanks
    • CommentAuthorCav8andrew
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012 edited
     
    There are currently 4 on ebay, £31 bids, £100 bids, £395 and £425 (I think) buy now (again, I think) perhaps we should do a group purchase.
    I put in kango
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    Andrew, Steamy is looking for something else. :wink:

    He's a bad influence. :devil:
    • CommentAuthorCav8andrew
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    Ah ! hence the looking late and locally !
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    I went to Australia and they spell route 'root', as in "that car is rooted".
    Still I can never be accused of spamming on here :wink:
    • CommentAuthorSteveZ
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    ST The link below is to a SIP multi-function woodworking machine, which does all you ask for, apart from being really cheap :bigsmile: It is at least relatively cheap. I don't know if it is easier to set up than most multi-function items, as this can be a pain!

    http://toolstoday.co.uk/shop.php?search=01549+Multi+Function+Woodwork+machine+Sip&x=26&y=13&sec=search
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    Kind of thing I bought when I was making all those nice acrylic things (though smaller), was good apart from having to buy their special blades for the planer.
    I shall have a look around the DIYs tomorrow to get an idea of what is on offer. Really only want it for a bit of tinkering, and to make a new kitchen table that has legs in each corner and does not wobble (I hate wobbly tables).
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    For a hobbyist it's probably a good buy. SIP is a good (British) make with excellent after-sales. Have my doubts about its being a spindle moulder though because the tech info gives the spindle sizes as 1/4" and 1/2" which are standard router cutter shank sizes, the bore on the smallest spindle moulders is usually 30mm for the eurobloc. Reduces its usefulness for anything other than stock profiles because I'm not aware of anyone making bespoke router cutters now, which is why I bought that small spindle moulder mentioned earlier, you can still get the cutters made for one-off profiles.

    Nick, look for a Kity machine. They can be found second-hand at good prices.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    That small spindle moulder mentioned above is this one...

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fox-F60-105-Spindle-Moulder-240volt/dp/B004PPMMY8

    I didn't expect all that much from it, but it was an incredible little machine that did a lot of work for me.

    Suspect it's a bit out of your price range though Nick. :sad:
    • CommentAuthorCav8andrew
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    Not sure if its still of any use but I think Primatooling still manufacture custom router bits
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 10th 2012
     
    Wish I'd known that a couple of years ago, Andrew. Never heard of them before. Expensive?

    For comparison, a set of spindle moulder cutters would cost £44 regardless of the profile from a grinding company in Telford.
    • CommentAuthorCav8andrew
    • CommentTimeMar 11th 2012
     
    Sorry Joiner, have not yet investigated pricing. I had the same problem as you , a few years back I could get my local timber merchants/workshop in Bath to profile timber for me, they would then sell on the cutter. When they were absorbed into the Travis Perkins chain this stopped. I then found a company who, if I remember correctly, were in Kent but who again ceased offering this service. Just started looking around as I need to match some existing and found this company. Will ask question and report back.
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    Posted By: JoinerFound this whilst looking too...http://pointmaster.co.uk/?gclid=CPOQ3peq3K4CFU8MfAodA02UXA" rel="nofollow" >http://pointmaster.co.uk/?gclid=CPOQ3peq3K4CFU8MfAodA02UXA


    What a fantastic tool. I pointed a chimney today in 4hrs using this one http://www.screwfix.com/p/roughneck-brick-mortar-gun/67965
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    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2012 edited
     
    It's a good price, Mike. Couldn't get on with the last one I had, which cost me close on thirty quid about five years ago. I found that the mortar was too hard to squeeze out by the time I'd got half way down the tube because the water was being squeezed out, making the mix too dry.

    Gave it to a mate's wife and she pointed all her house with the thing - though it was lime mortar and flowed a lot easier.

    Now that it's coming time to do ours (lime mortar with coal dust, as in the picture I posted in another thread) I might invest in one of those again.

    What were you doing that I wasn't?
    • CommentAuthorCav8andrew
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2012
     
    Looks like my mastic sausage gun, bizarrely if you put sausage gun in an ebay search it brings up loads of similar kit for fishermen to fire (presumably) food bait into the water. Or maybe it's how they store their lunch, quick squirt of pate down the back of the throat!
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    I made a mix early this morning, 6 coarse sand 1 Cement 1 Hydrated lime. Then let it sit for about 3hrs. It seems to get creamier that way. I had the same problem initially. I just kept wetting up the mix until I could use the full tube without it stiffening up. Speed is dritical, make sure everything is raked out, dusted and ready to go first.

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