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    • CommentAuthornbishara
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2012
     
    I went exploring my mouldy solid wall this afternoon and couldn't resist hacking off the blown plaster. I was very surprised to discover this black bituminous cardboard underneath, corrugated very much like a radiator, and plastered over. Not perhaps surprisingly, the bricks underneath felt pretty damp (it's a sw facing wall).

    I just wondered what the black cardboard was & why it was there? My gut feeling is to hack it all off, leave it for a couple of months to dry out (hey, brick feature wall, anyone?;-), and internally insulate. I've only got room for 25mm of insulation, but it'll prob be better than cardboard (although I did wonder about the airspaces?)

    Thoughts on black stuff & putative plan much appreciated :-)

    Tania

    Ps anyone who replied to my posts on mould; thanks :-) I'm ventilating, heating more & dehumidifying .
    • CommentAuthornbishara
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2012
     
    Oh, and it's a 1925 semi btw
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2012
     
    probably an attempt to cure damp by ventilating the wall and separating the wall from the room used to see it a lot in basements especially in London, are there any ventilators in the skirting board or to under the floor?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2012
     
    Newtonite lathing - universally used as recently as 1980s
  1.  
    Thanks Fostertom. The name was on the tip of my brain!
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2012
     
    This is the stuff... http://newton-membranes.co.uk/damp-proofing/

    The ridges are a key for plaster. There's another similar product out there, too.
    • CommentAuthorCav8andrew
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2012 edited
     
    The ridges are a key for plaster. There's another similar product out there, too.

    and to provide channels for air movement/water drainage behind the finished plaster

    As already said it's main use was for tanking of basements, many early conversions /renovations in Bath used this method.

    My Dad covered a garden shed in it, it survives to this day, just.
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2012 edited
     
    My parent had Newtonite put up on parts of a very wet south wall. The plaster over the Newtonite was fine but the water just tracked around to the edge of it and blew the the plaster off. The key to the use of membranes like this is continuity, if there is a break in it the water/damp will escape where the membrane ends. The new stuff they make is plastic with fibres fixed over the front face to hold the plaster. Delta Membranes and Oldroyd make similar products.

    Hope this helps
    Beau
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2012
     
    Figure out why the wall is wet before looking for a solution.

    If it's a single brick wall in an exposed location companies like Celotex/Kingspan typically recommend installing a membrane before insulation. See their sdvice on garage conversions.
    • CommentAuthornbishara
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2012
     
    Thanks all, I *knew* you'd know! I should have said that I'm intending to Ewi in the next couple of years anyway. Am I missing something though, because I thought that even a solid wall shouldn't have damp apparently going through it (unless this is ?interstitial condensation). I also presumed that neither newtonite (thanks, FT), nor a membrane behind Iwi would be great in terms of damp & mould?

    Tania
    • CommentAuthornbishara
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2012
     
    Ah! I may have discovered at least one reason why the walls is damp. The render on the other side has been cracked for a while & I was assured that it was fine. However, it looks like its now cracked along the "score lines" (it has a mock block effect), to the point where there a thin line of moss growing out. That's not good, is it?!
    Given my intention to build an extension over this bit of wall in the next coupld of years, I'm really not sure what to do next; membrane & iwi? I don't feeling leaving as is is a great option (I've only hacked a small patch off).

    Thanks :-))
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2012
     
    stick sheets of polystyrene on the outside for now then and recycle them when you do build.
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    Posted By: nbisharaAh! I may have discovered at least one reason why the walls is damp. The render on the other side has been cracked for a while & I was assured that it was fine. However, it looks like its now cracked along the "score lines" (it has a mock block effect), to the point where there a thin line of moss growing out. That's not good, is it?!
    Given my intention to build an extension over this bit of wall in the next coupld of years, I'm really not sure what to do next; membrane & iwi? I don't feeling leaving as is is a great option (I've only hacked a small patch off).


    Not sure that sticking polystrene on the outside is the best thing to do here at this stage as you are talking about a lot of work which then needs undone at a later date, the water at this stage will be getting in along the render cracks (especially if the cracks are big enough to be growing moss) and tracking down and soaking the inside of the wall. One way or another the render needs to come off where it has cracked and be re-rendered.
    • CommentAuthornbishara
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2012
     
    I agree! My only sticking point is that I'm
    hoping to build an extension over it - & then itll be an internal wall. Anyone got any dofer (do for now) suggestions that would keep the internal wall dry & insulated. Will cracked render damage the structural integrity of the wall at all?

    Thanks,

    Tania
    • CommentAuthorCav8andrew
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2012
     
    Heavy gauge plastic sheet fixed to wall above problem area with large seam of mastic and battened or even chased into the wall with mastic bead ? I suppose it could depend on how soon you intend to start the extension build, if it's soon seems a waste to prepare and re-render
    • CommentAuthorwookey
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2012
     
    Just hack off the loose bits from the cracks down? A blank area of brick should be better than a crack letting water in behind impermeable render, shouldn't it?
    • CommentAuthorTimSmall
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2012
     
    How much driving rain etc. does the wall get? (location? relative exposure? prevailing wind? sun? height?) Any leaky (or missing) gutters etc?

    A piccy might make things clearer.
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