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    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2012
     
    I attended a CPD today on Passivehaus (by Green Building Store) and it got me thinking about whether we should be going down this route with our refurb (or at least EnerPHit):
    www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/forum114/comments.php?DiscussionID=7709

    It's a 1930s mid-terrace house with solid brick walls. MVHR ducting will be tough going. Ground floor is half timber, half concrete (with tentative plans to replace with insulated slab). We're going to build a rear ground floor extension and a loft conversion. We're planning to insulate externally to the front and rear but we can't really go too much more than 160 mm thick due to the small eaves depth (we were planning on EPS but we'd presumably need to change to PIR to hit 0.15 u-value or better). The current design also makes use of raised party walls straddling the boundary to maximise space, which will require internal insulation. Existing party walls are uninsulated. The rear of the building faces West South West. (see attached 3D section of proposed)

    What do you think? Realistic?
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    • CommentAuthorSprocket
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2012
     
    It looks (at least superficially) easier than our tear-down/refurb/rebuild (on old stone-built farm buildings); But we didn't quite manage it. Still, it's a good target to aim for and I'm fairly happy with our valiant effort.
    Air tightness is where we fell (slightly) short.

    Go for it!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2012
     
    Go for it
  1.  
    Considering you have the model, can you get a thermal analysis done to see the effect of various approaches? Should be able to help you get the most economic solution.
  2.  
    Which way is South?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012
     
    Downwards from here, towards the Lizard
  3.  
    SteamyTea, never navigate via an object which can move!
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012 edited
     
    Seamus, the rear of the house (with the extension) is facing West South West, with South being roughly the viewing angle of the above 3D section.
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012 edited
     
    Nick Parsons wrote: "SteamyTea, never navigate via an object which can move!"

    I don't think it moves much (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lizard)
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012 edited
     
    Shevek, very few have achieved retrofit passiv haus certification. One of the few is here. Well worth a read to see the pitfalls and solutions. http://ecohome.tumblr.com/
  4.  
    JSH: I was deliberately replacing L with l, just to be pedantic. Nick
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012 edited
     
    Update. Apparently, the ecohome above is actually the 1st Passiv haus retrofit in the UK. http://londonecohouse.com/blog/uks-passivhaus-retrofit/
  5.  
    Whats the cost to get it to PH relative to close to PH ?

    PH is a great goal but there's 100,000 of house out there that need improvement to reach gov. energy consumption targets, what is the most cost effective way.
    I believe this may be slightly below the PH target.

    One things for sure if you dont get the ventalition sorted out ,condensation and damp may well undermine your efforts. ( as I found out this winter far more than I expected , start on your north wall first :) )
    • CommentAuthorCav8andrew
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2012
     
    'Which way is South'

    VH, if your back is covered in lichen your looking at it !

    Nick, have an absolutely wonderful image of trying to take a compass bearing on a scurrying lizard, classic !
  6.  
    Cav8andrew, that's the desired response - thankyou!!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
     
    There was a very good GBM article about PH renovation, I have seen one (uncertified) one privately in London too.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012 edited
     
    This is what the orientation looks like. I originally designed the rear extension to be orientated to the south but the other two I own the property with weren't keen on it.
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    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
     
    There is a CIC Start Online webinar coming up on the 19th April that might be of interest...

    http://www.cicstart.org/content/2012seminarsandwebinars/247,212/
  7.  
    Its a bit more difficult when you aren't South facing, we did this one http://www.viking-house.co.uk/passive-renovation.html for Olive in 2009 that was West facing, it has performed pretty well. She said "it was the coldest house in Dublin and now its the warmest". If I was back again I would try to Solar Heat it with a solar roof.

    Could you change the shape of your extension roof to catch the sun?

    I'm not ignoring the "smart" comments above, just biding my time! Poor tony was targeted on another thread for bearing his sole!
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
     
    :bigsmile: Oi.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
     
    Needs to be put in his plaice.

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012 edited
     
    I originally designed it like this but the other two I own the place with felt it was too weird for the aspect to be toward the neighbour's garden.
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  8.  
    I meant an A roof.
    • CommentAuthorCav8andrew
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
     
    Were all flounder-ing to come up with a witty response, there as I said
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
     
    Oh I see, I don't think we'd gain much in the way of angle because of the existing windows above.
  9.  
    Could you make the windows shorter and wider or slope back the roof like a hip near the house?
    What are the dimensions of the extension?
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeMar 29th 2012
     
    I'm sure I could come up with something (hopefully staying within permitted development restrictions). Do you really think it would make that much different toward Passivehaus?
  10.  
    How big will the house and extension be?
    How many m2 of solar could you fit on the extension roof?
    I've a Solar Heating calculator, I'll enter the figures for you.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeMar 30th 2012
     
    Thanks Seamus. The extension's roof with 500 mm eaves is 3.5 x 5.6 m. Minus a couple of roof lights, comes to 17.5 m2.
  11.  
    How big is the house?
    I'll input 13m2 for a solar roof and 25kWh for the total heating demand and see what the result is!
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