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    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2012
     
    Thinking of buying this book:
    http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9783211994962/

    Can anyone recommend it?
  1.  
    It's not exactly a page turner.....

    On the other hand, it's mighty impressive when you show up at your architects with it and say "that's the way to do it" while trying to avoid your best Punch and Judy voice.

    On a more serious note, it has some very useful details and options for how to achieve certain junctions while minimising thermal bridging. While it may not give the perfect solution for every example, it does give good ideas that can generally be adapted to suit.

    I recommend it if you're serious about designing a PassivHaus and you are/have an architect that's never done it before. If you're dealing with someone who has already done a PassivHaus and is aware of the solutions to avoid thermal bridging then there is probably little point.
  2.  
    Shevek, I have this, it is a very comprehensive, standard setting, reference book, full of a comparative working details. My concern is that in any one project you only require access to a small number of the details available and therefore you are paying a relatively high price for a limited amount of applicable information. It's a also very much based around the German building industry and it's practices, no bad thing in it's self, but there may be some anomalies, mostly with availability of products. I consider it a perfect shared purchase for a group of like minded individuals allowing it to be available as a reference document for all, I wish I was able to make it more available to more people locally so that it was fully utilised as it deserves. However if you are comfortable with the initial cost it's a excellent document to be able to refer to. Hope this helps in some respect, sorry if it's just made the decision more difficult.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012
     
    Shevek,

    I would only buy this if either you can read German quite well or there are very good diagrams of all the relevant info you need. It will have been written in German originally and translated. My experience of translations from German to English (I am fluent in both) is that they are generally full of mistakes and often fail to communicate the meaning properly. This includes so called professionally translated stuff and even some medical ones which is worrying. If building a house I would want to be sure that I understood the method 100%.

    Jonti
  3.  
    Posted By: JontiShevek,

    I would only buy this if either you can read German quite well or there are very good diagrams of all the relevant info you need. It will have been written in German originally and translated. My experience of translations from German to English (I am fluent in both) is that they are generally full of mistakes and often fail to communicate the meaning properly. This includes so called professionally translated stuff and even some medical ones which is worrying. If building a house I would want to be sure that I understood the method 100%.

    Jonti


    I don't think that's such a big concern. Most of the details are shown with clear diagrams and lists of materials/thicknesses. I suspect that there are a few cases of mistranslation around, but that doesn't stop it being an excellent resource.
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012
     
    I think the book is well worth the money to get a good understanding of what's involved. To my eye, it appears to be truly bilingual. I haven't once found myself trying to read the German to make sure of something. For the most part, the content is such that there's very little possibility of a non-obvious mistranslation.

    As to price, you need to put it in the context of the overall budget for your project. Or even the professional fees you'll be paying. It's well worth while to educate yourself and serve as a quality check on what you're told, IMHO. If you're only at the dabbling stage, there's an earlier, German only, edition of it online at some Austrian website. Sorry, I've forgotten the URL. And one or two manufacturers have similar details online, prepared by PHI but just showing details using their particular components.
  4.  
    Is this the link you were thinking of?

    http://www.baubook.at/phbtk/

    Click on Bauteile at the top left.

    David
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012
     
    That's the one. Well found.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012
     
    djh,

    I have not seen the English version so cannot comment on the quality of the translation. I was just pointing out that if I was building something such as a house I would want to be absolutely sure that it was going to be correct. Seeing the obvious mistake is not the problem, it is more what should it say that would concern me. I have seen so many mistranslations concerning potentially dangerous things that I would not want to put myself in such a position.

    If the book is well illustrated then it should be less of a concern.

    Jonti
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012
     
    Posted By: JontiI would only buy this if either you can read German quite well or there are very good diagrams of all the relevant info you need.

    You made a blanket statement, which vastly overstates the case, and you say you have no knowledge of the particular book in the first case. So I was simply trying to redress the balance. Saying that one should not buy any book that was originally written in German, or presumably any other language, unless you can read the original language fluently, is an unrealistic approach, in my opinion.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: djh
    Posted By: JontiI would only buy this if either you can read German quite well or there are very good diagrams of all the relevant info you need.

    You made a blanket statement, which vastly overstates the case, and you say you have no knowledge of the particular book in the first case. So I was simply trying to redress the balance. Saying that one should not buy any book that was originally written in German, or presumably any other language, unless you can read the original language fluently, is an unrealistic approach, in my opinion.


    djh,

    I am afraid you are wrong in your assertion that I made a blanket statement about buying any book written in German. I clearly stated it was this particular book I was referring to and also only if the diagrams it contained were not comprehensive. In a way your reading of my post shows that even in the original language words can be misinterpreted.

    I suggest you reread my original post and redress your redress:wink:

    I have worked on several large construction sites where we had up to 6 different languages used and have seen several situations where wrong translation would have led to serious consequences had they not been picked up. I personally would not want to follow instructions on doing something that could prove to be very expensive/life threatening if done wrong if I were not comfortable with the accuracy of the instructions. This was my point and all I was trying to put across.

    Jonti
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012
     
    Why bother if, as Andrew points out, it contains more information than you'll ever want? Why not just pre-order this... http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Passivhaus-Handbook-constructing-ultra-low-energy/dp/0857840193/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333562888&sr=1-1 ?
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeApr 4th 2012 edited
     
    Thanks guys. I'm an architectural technician so it would be useful beyond my own little project. Think I'll get it next pay packet.

    Thanks for the The Passivhaus Handbook tip Joiner, but I'll just have to get that too (although it's not being released until July)! Shame there's not a refurb one. Maybe I'll have to write my own.

    Edit: oh I see the extended title includes "and refurbishing buildings". Shame it's not being released until July!!!
  5.  
    Posted By: JontiI am afraid you are wrong in your assertion that I made a blanket statement about buying any book written in German. I clearly stated it was this particular book I was referring to and also only if the diagrams it contained were not comprehensive.
    I don't agree. You do make your comments in the context of a discussion of this particular book. However, the following comments are very general & do not relate to the specific book:

    Posted By: JontiI would only buy this if either you can read German quite well or there are very good diagrams of all the relevant info you need. It will have been written in German originally and translated. My experience of translations from German to English (I am fluent in both) is that they are generally full of mistakes and often fail to communicate the meaning properly. This includes so called professionally translated stuff and even some medical ones which is worrying. If building a house I would want to be sure that I understood the method 100%.

    Here you admit you have not seen the English version & that you are not sure whether it is well illustrated, implying you haven't seen the German version either:

    Posted By: JontiI have not seen the English version so cannot comment on the quality of the translation...If the book is well illustrated then it should be less of a concern.


    David
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2012
     
    David,

    the use of the word 'this' is specific and not general. Also, as I do not say the book 'is' poorly but rather 'if' what is your point with your last comment.

    Your argument is based partly on poor understanding of what is written combined with the use of irrelevant points. I would be interested as to how your last comment is relevant when taken in context with what I have written (not what you incorrectly purport I wrote:sad:)

    Jonti
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2012
     
    Shevek - It was the refurbishing bit that interested me. Have ordered it and will await publication in July, not that I've got any choice because I'd ordered it and only noticed the publication date when I went back to read through the blurb again. Have searched, but can't find any other books that give equal treatment to upgrading rather than new build. Be interesting to see if they address any of the problems identified on here.

    Shocked to see that ebooks on the subject are hellishly expensive still.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2012
     
    Joiner,

    you can be sure that it will be a very detailed and interesting read but will be based on German building principles which are different to the UK norm in some respects.

    Jonti
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2012 edited
     
    Errr...

    "Janet Cotterell and Adam Dadeby are directors of Passivhaus Homes Ltd., which has recently completed one of the very few fully Certified Passivhaus retrofits in the UK featured in their book The Passivhaus Handbook, due out in 2012. The retrofit is also exceptional in having achieved one of the best air-tightness results in the UK. More information on Passivhaus and on Adam and Janet can be found at www.passivhaushomes.co.uk."

    http://www.passivhaushomes.co.uk/

    The origins of "passivhaus" I gleaned from the name itself. It has a certain Germanic ring to it. :wink:
  6.  
    Joiner, thanks for the link to the forthcoming book, it will go on the wish list.

    Shevek, I imagine in your role as architect the book will prove more than useful as I suspect you will be referring back to it on a regular basis. I have the German/English version and found no particular difficulty with the text or clarity of illustrations.
    You may also be interested in, or already aware of, a magazine named Detail. It is again a German publication, similar in content to the AJ, Architectural Review or Architecture Today. along with a monthly publication they have a range of books headed Detail Practice, dealing with specific aspects of the building process, I have, amongst others;- Insulating Materials, Timber Construction and Energy-Efficiency Upgrades.

    www.detail.de
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2018
     
    Posted By: JoinerWhy bother if, as Andrew points out, it contains more information than you'll ever want? Why not just pre-order this...http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Passivhaus-Handbook-constructing-ultra-low-energy/dp/0857840193/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333562888&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow" >http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Passivhaus-Handbook-constructing-ultra-low-energy/dp/0857840193/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333562888&sr=1-1?


    I find this doesn't provide much in the way of drawn details/ideas.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2018 edited
     
    Posted By: davidfreeboroughIs this the link you were thinking of?

    http://www.baubook.at/phbtk/" rel="nofollow" >http://www.baubook.at/phbtk/

    Click on Bauteile at the top left.

    David


    Thanks David. Was just about to buy this (phew... 6 years later), only to come across this thread again and see you post, which I missed last time!

    Mind you, it's in German!
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2018 edited
     
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      CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2018
     
    Posted By: ShevekWas just about to buy this (phew... 6 years later), only to come across this thread again and see you post, which I missed last time!

    It's also nowhere near as comprehensive as the book. In particular I just see particular elements of construction, whereas the most useful part of the book itself is the various ways to make connections between the element. Each element and connection also has a page of text describing the buildup. There are also articles about aspects of building a passivhaus. Oh and typically there are buildups using 'ecological' materials and equivalents using other materials as well. As almost everybody said six years ago, buy the book.
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