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WiFi - should we worry about exposure?

SteamyTea — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:13:18 +0100

This is good enough evidence for me

http://www.newscientist.com/search?doSearch=true&query=feedback+homeopathy

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Joiner — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:22:30 +0100

I've told the story about the morris dancing episode in my life, so won't go into it again here.

I shared the general English view, as eloquently espoused by Clarkson, that morris dancers were a strange lot to be viewed with suspicion by any red-blooded English male, but on getting dragged (literally) into the activity I found the truth to be as far from Clarkson's view as the ECHR is from the real world.

Nothing mystic about it, it's just the best way of working up a thirst ever invented and having a bloody good laugh whilst doing it.

The only thing that drove me out was the fact that membership of teams seems to feature at least a third of the number being teachers, which means that the committee can make firm decisions on how a meet will go which is then clearly communicated to the team which then votes unanimously to accept the arrangements, which get totally re-arranged on the day at the whim of the few used to exercising their authority over a class of eight-year-olds and who brook no argument. Something about teachers!

[IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/15u6f7.jpg[/IMG]

Mid-morning in York. Me, Gerald, Errol. Probably sometime around 1988.

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Joiner — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:23:16 +0100

You can say what you like about Cotswold morris!

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JSHarris — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:40:31 +0100

I had a colleague years ago who was a morris man, he looked the part too (long hair, beard.....). All I can remember about him was that he'd be on antibiotics fairly frequently, as a consequence of "infections" picked up from intimate contact with the female followers of the morris men................

Coloured my view of morris dancing ever since.

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djh — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:14:07 +0100

Morris dancing? Pah!

http://www.coconutters.co.uk/

edit: and I see we have ST's neighbours to thank: "As mines and quarries opened in Lancashire in the 18th & 19th century a few Cornishmen came North bringing with them mining expertise. It is with these people that the dances were reputedly brought to this area. In particular two Cornishmen who came to work in Whitworth"

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Joiner — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:49:04 +0100

Excellent.

A foul calumny, Jeremy.

We were once dancing locally in Dawley, one of the mining villages that were incorporated into the Telford New Town. Having been nominated as the gofer to order the beer for the next break, I was standing at the bar when two guys got up and walked across. I thought, "Oh dear, I'm about to have the piss taken something rotten here." But instead they started telling me about how sad it was that a local tradition involving the old mining community had died out.

Apparently, they were the last of the tradition handed down from father to son for generations, when they'd dress up in an old frock of their Mom's, knock up some crude 'instruments' often involving nothing more than a broomstick with bottle tops nailed loosely to it, black their faces and go around from door to door at certain times of the year and dance outside until they were 'paid' to go away, the payment being anything from money to fruit or veg. Their kids refused to have any part in it. That's how local traditions die. And we bemoan the absence of an "English identity". If you take the mick out of your traditions it's hardly surprising.

Smashing blokes, they paid for the beer!

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Cerisy — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:21:32 +0100

For me the basic problem with the sceptics is not that they have strange thoughts, but that their views somehow carry weight. It is a problem with our society that insists that everyone's view is important - really?

An example that still annoys me is with a local BBC TV broadcast - an East Midlands town had just opened a new arts centre that had gone over budget (nothing new or news worthy there - probably down to poor briefing!) and the TV reporter to fill the time slot asked random people on the street if they thought the new arts centre was worth the inflated cost - not surprisingly they said no, it's terrible - hang on, they hadn't seen it, been in it (it had only opened that day), had no idea why it was overspent, but their views had to be heard. What rubbish - so instead of employing a decent reporter / journalist that could delve into the facts of the story, they simply relied on public opinion.

It's back to the media in my humble opinion - they can't be bothered to do a proper job so use Internet rubbish instead. One Telegraph environment reporter openly omitted to not taking the time to go to Norwich to interview the UEA professor at the centre of the climate change emails fiasco as he relied on Internet articles for all his information! Fortunately he has now left the Telegraph I gather.

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Joiner — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:13:55 +0100

Well, I suppose it was preferable to hacking his phone.

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Timber — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:46:24 +0100

Media in sensationalist mangled fact reporting shocker!

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SteamyTea — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:14:01 +0100

Posted By: TimberMedia in sensationalist mangled fact reporting shocker!

Nothing to see here, move on please.

I think the term 'Paradigm Shift' get misused. It is a hindsight term to explain something that has happened. Not a term used to describe hopes or fears.

Post-modernism has a lot to answer for.

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Joiner — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:37:25 +0100

Post-modernism has a job answering anything. It barely understands what it's saying itself.

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marktime — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:03:58 +0100

I'm so old I'm past the post.

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owlman — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:11:14 +0100

Yes,- Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

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SteamyTea — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:14:20 +0100

Posted By: JoinerIt barely understands what it's saying itself

Same as statisticians then

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Joiner — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 14:56:48 +0100

Just hold it there. Don't pull the trigger. Someone might be along soon to redeem the situation.

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owlman — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:08:53 +0100

Then there was the Statistician who, on feeling a pain in his chest went and threw himself down some stairs. When asked why he replied that the chances of having a heart attack were statistically much lower whilst falling down stairs.

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Joiner — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:01:01 +0100

Unless it happened when they were experiencing a pain in their chest.

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fostertom — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:51:10 +0100

Just heard Tim Minchin's Storm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U
http://www.lyricsmania.com/storm_lyrics_tim_minchin.html
on R4X - not sure if I'm Storm or Tim, actually both. Brilliant!

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Ed Davies — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:11:50 +0100

Tom, I was going to start referring to you as â€œStormâ€ but thought better of it.

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Joiner — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:12:20 +0100

That was BRILLIANT!! Thank you Tom. Never heard the guy before.

My wife walked in part-way through to ask what "the heck" I was listening to because I was laughing so loud. She listened for a couple of minutes and said: "That's what you used to be like before you cut down on the red wine."

Ah, the mists of time are rendered even more opaque by a booze-induced blur. Those were the days.

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Joiner — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:16:18 +0100

Wonder whether she took her username from the Minchin character?

http://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/forum114/comments.php?DiscussionID=6098

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fostertom — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:45:12 +0100

Well, now knowing that origin of 'Storm' I wonder whether she (is it a she?) was actually tongue in cheek in that post. Certainly got a rise out of the reactionaries!

(Oh dear, I can hear the smutty comments already)

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CWatters — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 19:54:36 +0100

I've just read on one of the newsgroups that some LED down lights can create enough Radio Frequency noise to stop wireless networks working...

Even worse than those are 12V LED replacements for halogen lights. I fitted some in our kitchen (to replace the halogen lgihts) and they manage to take out the Wifi, DAB and FM in our kitchen! Now removed and back to the halogen lights, Wifi, DAB and FM working again. Used to listen to LW until we started to use the Low energy lights (fluorescent) but they kill LW reception...

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DamonHD — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:21:34 +0100

The first ever LED bulb I bought caused radio interference, but I've never noticed any trouble with any subsequent LED bulbs ever.

If it was really bad I'd ask the supplier for their RF compliance / CE documentation or a refund as unusable.

Rgds

Damon

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JSHarris — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:29:24 +0100

Posted By: CWattersI've just read on one of the newsgroups that some LED down lights can create enough Radio Frequency noise to stop wireless networks working...

Makes sense. The blown ones that I've taken apart have all had rather nasty switched mode converters in the base, with no screening at all and minimal suppression. My guess is that they'd radiate harmonics of their switching frequency pretty much all over the RF spectrum. All the ones I've taken apart have been CE marked, which implies that they've been through RF emissions testing, but there are very large numbers of counterfeit CE stickers around. One Chinese manufacturer that I took to task over supplying dodgy CE marked electrical equipment replied to my question by stating that "CE" on their goods meant "China Export".............

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Joiner — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:07:55 +0100

Very clever these Chinese!

Does explain why we started to notice a "hum" (wife's expression) on the radio. I said it sounded more like radio-interference and she gave me a look as if to say "that's what I just said". Separated the radio and the desk lamp and it disappeared - the noise, not the radio.

So much for going "modern", especially when you go for the smart-looking bargains.

Problem now is finding anything electrical that isn't made in China.

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fostertom — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:08:09 +0100

Anything made in China is rotated 180o before it gets to Europe so is naturally out of phase.

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Joiner — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:58:00 +0100

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fostertom — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:00:00 +0100

You think I'm not serious?

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gustyturbine — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:23:32 +0100

Whooooaaa. just read the thread title.
Are we discussing Wifi or exposure as the law states that there is a massive difference, well larger for some than others actually