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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 11:31:13 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>WillInAberdeen</author>
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			<![CDATA[Have fitted the usual grey polyethylene foam clip-on pipe insulation, to the CH loop and the hot/cold water pipes, which mostly run under suspended floor and through loft.  <br /><br />It has mostly been chewed off again, by the small furry population who live in those spaces. They have some kind of instinct to shred stuff up at this time of year to make nests.<br /><br />Has anyone found a kind of pipe insulation which mice dont like to chew? <br /><br />(not looking for suggestions here about how to evict them - I know I'm not going to win that game and so do they)]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 11:46:43 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[I've had the same problem.  I found they much preferred the black, soft, foam rubber insulation, and would preferentially chew that over the grey polyethylene stuff, but even then they'd still chew some of the grey stuff.  The only way I've stopped them chewing it up has been to cover all the insulation with self-adhesive aluminium foil tape.  I got given a couple of rolls of 4 inch wide, heavy duty aluminium tape (it's thicker than kitchen foil and quite stiff) and it wasn't too much work to wrap it around the insulation.<br /><br />So far (touch wood!) it seems to have worked, as the last two years we've been free of mouse damage (at least to the insulation).]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 11:51:09 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Oh, pleasantly surprised that the foil tape worked, JSH. I was going to suggest expanded metal!!]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 12:01:04 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[I've just been digging around, and it seems that the stuff is actually sold for lagging pipes in Screwfix.  This stuff looks to be the same as the rolls I was given: <a href="http://www.screwfix.com/p/no-nonsense-aluminium-foil-tape-96mm-x-45m/46950" target="_self" rel="nofollow">http://www.screwfix.com/p/no-nonsense-aluminium-foil-tape-96mm-x-45m/46950</a>]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 12:24:44 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Hi,<br /><br />They also love rigid foam boards as well. The only statement you will get out of the manufacturers is the â€œit offers no nutritional valueâ€.<br /><br />I was very worried about PEX pipe in suspended floors particularly when the piping is slung below the joists in a sub floor void. It becomes a critter highway.<br /><br />I made home made armoured pipe as follows:<br /><br />The grey 19mm pipe insulation over usual 22mm PEX pipe (e.g. John Guest etc). This fits exactly inside 68mm drain down pipe. I had to use the shortest lengths to be able to force it through an aperture in the floor. The type with a socket at one end gives a really rigid feel to the assembly. In some places I didnâ€™t bother with the socket â€“ just butted up and a wrap of gaffa tape (probably not necessary). Fixed to the under-sides of joists with the same pipe clips as youâ€™d use out side.<br /><br />Basically fed all the bits down the hole and built it up under the floor. You can get straight PEX pipe in 6m lengths so if lucky you can go across or along most sizes without a break. <br /><br />Cheers<br />Mike up North]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 12:27:06 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Shd substantially reduce emissive (radiation) loss too.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 16:13:40 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>WillInAberdeen</author>
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			<![CDATA[Has anybody used this kind of insulation (and did your mice like it)<br /><br />Clip-on pipe insulation, mineral wool with foil face, 1.2m lengths <br /><br /><a href="http://www.insulationandlagging.co.uk/Technical-Information-on-Pipe-Insulation/Sager-Pipelane" target="_self" rel="nofollow">http://www.insulationandlagging.co.uk/Technical-Information-on-Pipe-Insulation/Sager-Pipelane</a><br /><br />other brands probably available <br /><br />any views on pros/cons??]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 22:43:09 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[be thankfull that they didnt eat through the pipe too, have seen rats chey into electric cables....]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 22:57:30 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Hi,<br /><br />My method with the rainwater down pipe is bullet proof so far. They will penetrate a couple a inches a day in kingspan. If you live surrounded by crops when September comes and the havesters come over the hill three a breast, there a bow wave of the varmits like something out of the bible. When ther're in the're in for the duration.<br />Found a few sizzled ones across the old cloth coverd wiring.<br />Cheers, Mike up North]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 06:59:53 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite >Posted By: WillInAberdeen</cite>(not looking for suggestions here about how to evict them - I know I'm not going to win that game and so do they)</blockquote> Don't be so sure.  A good number of traps checked at least once a day usually worked for me.  They appeared in the autumn as it got cold. Get em before they produce more and you usually have a mouse free winter.<br /><br />However, never worked out how they got in (self build timber frame house).  It does rather worry me when I am putting PIR insulation into the cavity of the new place how to ensure they are not in there gradually chewing it to dust.<br /><br />I think at the least I will tape the exposed edges.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 08:13:42 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[I never found for sure where they were getting in to my loft, either.  I did once hear them scurrying around above the sarking when I was up in the loft, so assumed they found a gap somewhere at eaves level and got in that way, between the tiles and the sarking felt.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 08:39:03 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Chris P Bacon</author>
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			<![CDATA[Likewise they always came into our attic after the first hard weather, never sure how they got in.<br /><br />I always had great success when baiting my traps with Nutella.<br /><br />I just took the kids trampoline out of the shed yesterday and the little feckers had made a nest in the safety net, when I pulled it out a huge load of empty hazelnut shells fell out. 4 or 5 big holes in the netting now. <img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/devil.gif" alt=":devil:" title=":devil:" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 09:54:57 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[We've had at least one squirrel audibly capering around the roofspace (under the upper thatch slope) - he's called Russell - and gnawing at things, and winter rats regularly too. Yesterday the electrician went up to investigate failed spotlights and came down with an iphone full of pics of chewed cables, transformer casings etc, bare wires a milimetre apart - awesome! Instant shutdown of top floor lighting - now they're preparing to rewire it all, in conduit this time. But conduit is made of yummy plastic too, and still the plastic transformer housings. Is there an electrician's equiv of the foil tape mentioned above, to bind everything with against rats etc (which return every autumn, in a riddled ancient house like this).]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 13:13:12 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Chris P Bacon</author>
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			<![CDATA[Posted By: fostertom But conduit is made of yummy plastic too<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.qvsdirect.com/Galvanised-Steel-Conduit-20mm-x-3.75M-pr-19126.html" target="_self" rel="nofollow">http://www.qvsdirect.com/Galvanised-Steel-Conduit-20mm-x-3.75M-pr-19126.html</a><br /><br /><br /><img src="/newforum/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title=":wink:" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 19:10:36 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>stones</author>
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			<![CDATA[Thankfully not in the house, but a couple of critters attacked my shed, tucked into a foam kneeling mat then finally the red rubber primer button on my lawnmower.  Traps baited with peanut butter did the trick.<br /><br />Would agree with borpin - a good number of traps should solve the problem.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 23:52:46 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>WillInAberdeen</author>
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			<![CDATA[well we trap about 30-40 most winters but like mike said, if you live in cereal farming country then mice are part of the deal! Best bait is bird peanuts. <br /><br />So im looking for insulation that is not attractive to mice. They like foams and soft stuff but dont seem to go for mineral wool. Has anyone used it to lag CH pipes?<br />  <br />Like JSHs idea but am surprised that foil would stop them long? They get through the foil on kingspan. Drainpipe should slow them down!]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 23:58:01 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[And they had the primer button from my mower too!<br /><br />Briggs bits .com sells them.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 09:18:28 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>GaryB</author>
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			<![CDATA[WillnAberdeen<br /><br />Foil faced GF is used extensively for insulating pipework in commercial premises and I have never seen evidence of rodent damage. It's an irritant which may be of help as far as rodent resistance is concerned.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 12:12:37 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Paul_B</author>
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			<![CDATA[We had a mouse issue a few years ago where they had built a nest in an RSJ using rockwall insulation, you could hear them at night scurrying up and down between the daub and dab plasterboard. None of them are now with us, we caught eight in about a week using traps and peanut butter.<br /><br />Paul]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 21:14:05 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>mrswhitecat</author>
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			<![CDATA[Mouse has chewed husband's box and cricket pads.  Time to give up the cricket methinks.  How worried should I be about the mouse poo?]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 21:38:24 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Interesting point MrsWhiteCat, our loft is full of mouse poo which is all over the place under the rockwool. Is this a health hazard? Our rockwool surface is also covered in black marbling which I can only assume is surface mould due to poor ventillation or damp but again is this just superficial or a health hazard?<br /><br />Paul]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 21:45:59 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>JSHarris</author>
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			<![CDATA[I believe the main biological hazard from mice is that they don't have a very effective bladder sphincter, so they dribble pee all the time over everything they run over.  At least you can see mouse poo and try and avoid it.  Both mouse poo and pee can contain salmonella, I believe.]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 21:52:22 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Mike (Up North)</author>
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			<![CDATA[Hi,<br /><br />Hi ot Mrs W C nice to see you back on the block.<br /><br />All this talk of critters and varmints is making me want to go out on the porch and chew some baccy â€“ except itâ€™s snowing!!!.<br />Mouse poo not good. Very not good.  When they nibble they poo.  In one end and out the other â€“ same with the wee. Anything to do with them, the traps, bodies!! Wash your hand very very well.<br /><br />Despite all the possible methods straight forward traps for me. You will get 8 or 9 at a time as thatâ€™s a family.<br />Iâ€™ve had them eat the mower bits as well â€“ nightmare and the car pipe work / wiring.<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br />Mike up North]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 22:06:58 +0100</pubDate>
		<author>Paul_B</author>
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			<![CDATA[Did a bit of searching and it would appear that although rare more concerning effect of dried mice poo is Hantavirus Infection which in Europe is likely to occur as Haemorrhagic Fever with Renal Syndrome (HFRS) - http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Hantavirus-Infection.htm. Would suggest if clearing up previous mess sensible precuations are taken to avoid inhalation as well as normal hygiene of washing hands.]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 07:57:15 +0100</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[I use a Raisin smeared with Nutella. The raisin is good to skewer on the trap spike.<br />I caught two at once with a piece of twix. How ironic.<br />As Mike says, 8 - 10 is usually a good run then that's it until next time.<br />I have caught 4 or 5 in a row just by turning the light off and leaving the workshop, then going back in 5 mins for the next one. I have even heard the trap go off as soon as I pulled the door shut behind me!]]>
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