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    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    Anyone know? thanks
    RobinB
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    Looks at various Ofgem/DECC charts/reports, eg:

    http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/statistics/local_auth/interactive/domestic_solar/index.html

    http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/statistics/energy_stats/source/fits/fits.aspx

    Rgds

    Damon
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      CommentAuthorted
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    I make it about 1.3 GW.
    • CommentAuthorwindy lamb
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    I said it was one big roof!
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    Thanks for the answers

    Compared to Drax, our biggest power station, which Wikepedia says has a generating capacity of 3,960 megawatts and provides about 7% of the United Kingdom's electricity supply that doesn't seem too bad.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    Well, except that the capacity factor of DRAX is probably >80% and of PV <15% (yes, I don't like using capacity factor) and that makes the GWh/year look a lot less good. I think that we should be aiming for >20GWp of PV, ASAP.

    Rgds

    Damon
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    Posted By: DamonHDI think that we should be aiming for >20GWp of PV, ASAP.

    Just read the consultation paper, I think the government want the same as that way they will not have to do any administration.
    Personally I like that idea, and getting rid of generation payments and all other nonsenses that artificially skew the marketplace.
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    Freely admit I am a bit ignorant when it comes to big numbers. I was wondering how close the PV installed had come to replacing a power station. Thinking we could do with the government feeling a bit more positive about PV rather than dwelling on the FITS payments. More = better.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    When the sun is out, 1GW+ of PV is a big power station, like the nuke Sizewell B. Its average is the equivalent of a smallish gas turbine, but by happy coincidence humans are more active in daytime, so PV is more useful than that average suggests.

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorMegacycles
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    And most PV generates close to point of use so significantly reduces transmission losses which I think are around 10%.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    The biggest chunk of losses is in distribution, and close to 5% typically in the UK I believe. Transmission losses on average ~2%. But if PV in the south avoids a long trek from the north where much of the generation is, you could be saving more.

    Rgds

    Damon



    My notes say:

    # Estimated losses (0--1, 0 means no loss) in transmission and distribution.
    # This affects (inflates) the actual effective intensity as seen by a domestic consumer.
    intensity.loss.transmission=0.02
    # Originally 7%, but according to Annette, and James of DECC, 2011/09/14,
    # "distribution [only] losses averaging 5%, ranging from 3.7% for Yorkshire area
    & 8% for Scottish Hydro)".
    intensity.loss.distribution=0.05
    • CommentAuthorGavin_A
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2012
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: DamonHD</cite>When the sun is out, 1GW+ of PV is a big power station, like the nuke Sizewell B. Its average is the equivalent of a smallish gas turbine, but by happy coincidence humans are more active in daytime, so PV is more useful than that average suggests.

    Rgds

    Damon</blockquote>
    IIRC the capacity factor of most UK nukes has been around 30% over the last few years with the amount of breakdowns etc (figure may be a little out of date).

    Similarly most of the coal plants that haven't got scrubbers, will increasingly be having capacity factors fairly similar to PV as we approach 2015.

    Obviously PV can't have a capacity factor anywhere close to new nuclear / coal / gas, but it's not replacing the new stuff, it's replacing the old knackered stuff where the capacity factors will be more similar. Anyway, I'm sure you get the point I'm attempting to make.
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2012
     
    I'm not knocking PV, really I'm not, I'm just suggesting that a straight nameplate-capacity comparison against demand-callable generation is not necessarily that useful.

    Rgds

    Damon
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2012
     
    Have to distinguish between installed capacity and generation

    So Installed Capacity is in kW (or MW)
    Generation is in kWh (or MWh)

    Makes a difference as a PV system down here is worth more than one up in Scotland for the same installed capacity.

    Comparing that to a traditional method of generation becomes difficult as traditional generation is often used for different purposes, be that base load, balancing, peak load only.
    Then you have the issues of integrating into a national grid, who should have priority and what should the criteria be. Should it be price or cost?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2012
     
    Posted By: Gavin_AObviously PV can't have a capacity factor anywhere close to new nuclear / coal / gas
    What's the capacity factor of PV + wind put together - quite gd I'd have thought, as they both tend to fill ea others' hole.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2012
     
    Posted By: fostertomWhat's the capacity factor of PV + wind put together - quite gd I'd have thought, as they both tend to fill ea others' hole


    Not really realistic to combine the two as they are not comparing like for like with respect to time.

    Solar generation has little to do with windpseed and turbine generation has little to do with light intensity (or lack of it).

    What you have to look at is seasonal generation potential and then see how well they match together. Then look at hourly generation and look at how well those two match.
    • CommentAuthorGavin_A
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2012
     
    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: DamonHD</cite>I'm not knocking PV, really I'm not, I'm just suggesting that a straight nameplate-capacity comparison against demand-callable generation is not necessarily that useful.

    Rgds

    Damon</blockquote>
    I didn't think you were, I was just pointing out that it's all a lot different when you compare PV with the plant it's actually replacing rather than actual new nukes / coal etc.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2012
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaWhat you have to look at is seasonal generation potential and then see how well they match together. Then look at hourly generation and look at how well those two match.
    That was my question!
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2012
     
    Posted By: fostertomThat was my question!

    The answer then is covariance :wink:
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