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    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2012
     
    When we start our renovation how do we go about recycling windows, concrete, tiles, carpet, earth, etc.?
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    Somehow make sure that they do not enter the waste-stream. Then you may not (have to say I don't know a lot re waste) have any licensing issues.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2012
     
    Worth checking this out to avoid problems...

    http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/netregs/63480.aspx

    Stupid system though, that allows a customer to stick the same waste in the boot of their car and take it to the Household Waste site!

    If I use my van to take DOMESTIC waste to the council dump I need a permit.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2012
     
    sell them or it on ebay or give away on freecycle etc
    • CommentAuthorJTGreen
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2012
     
    Figure out how you might reuse it on site if at all possible - we've done a fair bit of that - bricks, roof slates, tongue and groove, internal doors have been put back. Then for stuff that you can't or don't want to make use of plan, plan, plan....

    I did freecycle a fireplace, a door, and quite a few other bits and pieces. Our old floor boards went to an allotment plot and I know other neighbour allotmenteers had a good rummage through the skip (at their own risk!). I also failed to freecycle vast quantities of stuff that ought to have gone to a good home (bath, basin, WC, another door, radiators, a window). In fact, it's one of my big regrets that we didn't manage the waste stream as well as we could have done given more time, less pressures for space, more knowledge. I've had three skips I think - and that's on an 'ecorenovation' where we reasonably mindful of the waste. Having said that, some of the stuff in skips is recycled/reused - the trouble is that things get broken in skips and then are not reusable. Did try to encourage my (green) builder to use a local wood salvage operation but the financials didn't work out, or maybe the skip is still the comfort zone.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2012
     
    Great ideas, thanks guys.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2013 edited
     
    1930s house: is the internal plaster cementitious? Could we recycle ourselves? Would it be any good added to hardcore for instance?

    Also, do you know of any books/websites/organisations out there with advice about construction waste management?

    And one more: adding 10% to orders seems to be a rule of thumb for most materials. Could we reduce this? Do you know where I can find any advice for optimising this percentage for different materials? Could speak to a QS I guess.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2013
     
    better to work out what you need yourself, I always found that 'husbandry' among tradesmen pretty appalling when time is factored in as a cost waste increases, cant be bothered to reuse the other half of a brick, off cuts, recycle mortar etc.

    Adding 10% will work out most of the time but it is best to count how many you need and get it right plus a few, not 10%
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2013
     
    Posted By: tonyAdding 10% will work out most of the time but it is best to count how many you need and get it right plus a few, not 10%

    Okay ta. What about a pre-mixed concrete pour? Last thing you want is not quite enough right?
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2013
     
    last thing you want is to pay to get excess taken away, volume is easy to get spot on.
    • CommentAuthornikhoward
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2013
     
    Posted By: tonybetter to work out what you need yourself, I always found that 'husbandry' among tradesmen pretty appalling when time is factored in as a cost waste increases, cant be bothered to reuse the other half of a brick, off cuts, recycle mortar etc.

    Adding 10% will work out most of the time but it is best to count how many you need and get it right plus a few, not 10%


    totaly agree
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2013
     
    With poured concrete I always try to have something else on site that could use excess concrete if there is any over, garden path is a favorite which you prepare and if not enough to do all of it fit a board as an expansion gap and finish it later.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2013
     
    Posted By: joe90With poured concrete I always try to have something else on site that could use excess concrete if there is any over,
    Excellent advice. Will remember that. Thanks.
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    Posted By: Shevek
    Posted By: tonyAdding 10% will work out most of the time but it is best to count how many you need and get it right plus a few, not 10%

    Okay ta. What about a pre-mixed concrete pour? Last thing you want is not quite enough right?


    Use the guys with the 'mix on site' lorries , no wastage and you only pay for what you need fine for smaller jobs

    All excess top soil , save for raised beds
    All rubbles, render etc. save for hardcore or blinding ( subbase or driveway )
    Texiles , recycle
    Wood . Save, reuse if poss. then, Untreated, unpainted , offer it to wood burners
    Skip the rest, i t'll go to biomass
    Ebay everything else you can , I just sold a 2nd hand upvc window to a guy in London for a £10 ,
    he's shipping it to Guana !
    Having said that . most skip companies sort and recycle 90% of the waste in skip ( according to my local lot)
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2013
     
    I Freecycle or give stuff away.

    I also put stuff on the drive with a large sign saying "Free - please help your self". It's supprising what goes!

    Offer stuff on here, someone may take it off your hands.
    • CommentAuthorShevek
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2013 edited
     
    Thanks, more good advice.

    Mostly out of curiosity we're going to track our waste to see how we go. If you're interested this site has some handy spreadsheet templates. They're for bigger projects but could be modified easily to suit:
    http://www.wrap.org.uk/content/site-waste-management-plans-1
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2013 edited
     
    I have heard that rather than saying "Free", if you write £5 or £20 etc. it disappears even quicker! Not that they're the sort of people I'd choose to give my stuff to, but good when you just want stuff to go and perhaps the taker is less likely to go on to dump stuff that has a "value".

    Old carpet is a popular weed supressant on a veg plot (prior to planting!). And old windows if glazed can make rather good cold frames.
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    '' And old windows if glazed can make rather good cold frames.''

    And if unglazed can make even colder frames.....

    Sorry.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2013
     
    Posted By: jamesingramUse the guys with the 'mix on site' lorries
    Cost penalty vs readimix?
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2013 edited
     
    £165 for first m3 ( to allow deliver cost) , then £80m3 ish there after + vat , I think the lorry can carries about 8-10m3, they've different size units , depending on site access etc.
    You cant knock it up yourself for that price , labour and mat.
    Not sure what the 6m3 ready mix are currently charging , last time I used them it was around £65-70m3+ (3-4 years ago) only good if you want 6m3+ as they wont charge you for air on the second load etc.

    edit:quick check with local guy, 6m3 lorry load £76m3 +vat
    All GEN3 SE UK
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2013
     
    Gd info, thanks
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2013 edited
     
    Posted By: jamesingram£165 for first m3 ( to allow deliver cost) , then £80m3 ish there after + vat

    Just to make sure I've understood, that means £165 + 5 x £80 = £565 for 6 m³?

    quick check with local guy, 6m3 lorry load £76m3 +vat

    6 x £76 = £456 so still noticeably cheaper for a full load, but worth looking at n-site mixing for part loads?
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2013 edited
     
    djh , that's correct . (some charge same per m3 then add delivery, some dont)
    Though lots of varibles as ever , how often yo use them , distance to site , how much you need , larger orders and the 'mix as you g'o will drop the m3 price as will readymix.

    Benefit of 'mix as you go' is it comes out a barrow at a time ( most truck come with 2 of there own good sized barrows) so you can get the exact amount you need. Most charge to the 0.1 of a m3 and are happy to give you time to run it to the footing or slab etc. Unlike the readymix cone lorries that just want to dump the lot unless you slip them a 'drink'.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2013
     
    Posted By: jamesingramUnlike the readymix cone lorries that just want to dump the lot
    So figure out the avoided cost of a concrete pump, but therefore figure in lots of man-hours of your own.
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2013
     
    Posted By: fostertomSo figure out the avoided cost of a concrete pump

    Are there lists of these type of costs anywhere? Cranes are another example.
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