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    • CommentAuthorDantenz
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2012
     
    With the emphasis on Co2 emission reduction, widespread fuel poverty and the unsustainability of fossil fuel reserves does anyone have an opinion on the gas consumption and wastage of resources of the olympic flame. I must say the originality, imagination and design of the torch was truly outstanding however, I couldn't stop thinking about how many homes that flame would heat.
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      CommentAuthorJSHarris
    • CommentTimeJul 28th 2012
     
    It was just another element in the massive, sponsor-driven, energy consuming, marketing fest that has become the Olympics, in my view.

    I suspect that the massive energy consumption of the whole, daft, Olympic flame convoy, associated marketing carnivals at every overnight stop, etc overwhelmingly exceeded the few canisters of gas that the torches used.
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    Given that the security guards appeared to be running with the torch, can we simply ask that, for the next olympics(TM), the vehicles be deleted?! Oh, and how about wood pellets for the torch? (Is there a 'tongue-in-cheek' smiley?).
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2012
     
    At my wife's behest ("Don't be a misery!"), I watched about 20 minutes of the opening ceremony and simply had to retreat with embarrassment at the cringe-making antics on show. Beijing may have been overtly red-flag-waving, but it was at least watchable for the spectacle alone, which is what such events are supposed to be all about. I didn't think it was possible for things to get any worse than the best of the Jubiliee celebrations but, good old Britain in the grips of a recession, proved it could always prove me wrong by pushing forward a bunch of kids in pyjamas. :cry:
    • CommentAuthorSeret
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2012
     
    I knew the topic would come up on this forum!

    If you're going to poo-poo the flame, then do you also start poo-pooing any energy use for sporting, cultural or entertainment purposes? The amount of energy used by the flame is miniscule compared to the Olympics itself, and you can't have one without the other. Maybe it would be nice to start using a different fuel in the future, but I don't think it's worth getting yer knickers in a twist over.

    We burn gas for far less worthy things.
    • CommentAuthorowlman
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2012
     
    I sort of enjoyed it Joiner. I thought the NHS bit would have been lost on the, "majority" international audience, and did nothing for me.
    Why start the histrionics with pastoral Britain. Where were the Romans and Boudicca, or the Vikings, Castles and Kings,-- loosing their heads, Robin Hood, or Shakespear, or a hundred national heroes, or Railway history, or Pubs, and all the things that the wider world know Britain for. To single out childrens literature did seem odd to me too, together with the Great Ormand Street stuff was IMO overkill. The reference to the WWW was a nice touch maybe they should have pushed a reminder about computers too, or a dozen other things.
    The overall choreography I thought good, as was the occasional humour, and the scene changing and general impact was fine, especially the forging of the five rings, which was nothing short of brilliant. Perhaps a little too much popular music culture stuff, and I say that as a music lover, a little more Celtic fringe input here instead, woukld have been more balanced, swirling kilts 'n all. Maybe it was there and the TV coverage wasn't comprehensive enough.
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    I surprisingly enjoyed the first 2 hours of the open cermony, good stuff , slightly surreal mass entertainment , who care for what purpose. (cost £27million so not to sure about that)
    As to the torch, I heard it started in 1936 Olympics and was the idea of the national socialist
    http://www.history.com/news/the-olympic-torch-relays-surprising-origins
    Even so, I like the idea of it . I went to see it with my family and got chatting to various people, friend etc. as we watched at the end of our street ,so dare I say a brief 'community' moment was had.
    Most interesting and refereshing thing was the amount of people walking to the area to see the flame .
    As to energy consumption , i'm sure some clever bod could link the flame up to the olympic stadium main soil pipe vent, got to be some large amount of methane coming out of that.

    My current dislike is the usual 24 hour media slurry and thier concerntration on whether the GB athletes will win a medal , rather than just reporting and commentating on the events and enjoying the specticial of seeing the greatest athletes in the world of competive sport show case their skills
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2012
     
    • CommentAuthorDantenz
    • CommentTimeJul 29th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: Seret The amount of energy used by the flame is miniscule compared to the Olympics itself

    Some interesting energy consumption figures in the attached and this is without the energy being consumed by the cauldren in the arena itself which is really what I was referring to.
    http://blogcritics.org/sports/article/how-environmentally-friendly-is-the-olympic/
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    I'm totally for sport, sporting competition.
    But it's like most things, you can take elements too far.
    I'm totally with JSHarris (post above) that the spin on top of and around the sport has gone to far.
    It has become an overly sponsor-driven, energy consuming, marketing fest.
    - Mc Donalds, Coca Cola and the DOW chemicals are not, to me, ethical, sporting, olypic sporting value companies.
    - DOW are the current owner of the the Bhopal plant that was later sold to McLeod Russel (India) Ltd.
    Civil and criminal cases are pending, regarding the Bhopal disaster, in the United States District Court, Manhattan and the District Court of Bhopal, India, involving UCC, UCIL employees
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2012
     
    I am all for sport, though some I do not like, like soccer. Though I thought the archery ws good, gives middle aged, overweight blokes a chance :smile:

    Not meaning to be controversial, but the Union Carbide disaster that is still going though courts is more a reflection of the legal system than the operation of a chemical works.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2012
     
    And the little oversight of not having to provide the same level of safety margin as would be demanded in the company's home territory? The cost of such safety margins would make it an incredibly expensive business unless such measures could be avoided by siting plants in third-world countries where politicians and people's lives come cheap.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2012
     
    Comes down to a basket of things that both caused the disaster and has delayed the recompense.

    20 or so years ago I was involved in a case up in Shrewsbury where a spa bath had leaked into a leather goods shop and ruined some of the stock. The leather shop blamed the club above, they blamed us, we blamed the manufacture.
    To replace that £7,500 of ruined stock cost us about £30,000, I am sure the manufacturer of the spa shell had to pay the same. The club would have paid out something, as would the leather shop and all the insurers.
    Probably cost about 10 times the value of the claim and took 4 years to sort out.
    Sometimes you need an arbitrator to say, 'split the bill' (but not the way school teachers do it).
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    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2012
     
    They have several vertical axis wind mobiles all around the olympic stadium. More than enough to power a hotdog stand or two :-)
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2012
     
    Posted By: JoinerAt my wife's behest ("Don't be a misery!"), I watched about 20 minutes of the opening ceremony and simply had to retreat with embarrassment at the cringe-making antics on show.


    The first part was a bit cringe making but on balance it was ok to good. Not same as China but could have been a lot lot worse. The bit about forging the rings was good as was the actual design of the flame.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2012 edited
     
    Just working on a blade profile at the moment.
    Bit worrying though as it may give the imprssion that VAWTs are the future, and they are not.
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2012
     
    I was in London a couple of weeks ago and asked one of the taxi drivers if he was looking forward to all the money he was going to make out of the Olympics. He said he had booked a villa in Spain for the duration, as had a lot of guys he knew, because the chaos (and he pointed to the road lane we were in and the Olympic signs thereon) would make it impossible to work AND keep his sanity.

    London without the Olympics is enough to put me off the place, but with the Olympics...!

    Funny about the opening ceremony. We went out for lunch with a group of family and friends yesterday and of the 12 people there it was evenly divided over likes and dislikes, and all for the same reasons.
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaComes down to a basket of things that both caused the disaster and has delayed the recompense.

    20 or so years ago I was involved in a case up in Shrewsbury where a spa bath had leaked into a leather goods shop and ruined some of the stock. The leather shop blamed the club above, they blamed us, we blamed the manufacture.
    To replace that £7,500 of ruined stock cost us about £30,000, I am sure the manufacturer of the spa shell had to pay the same. The club would have paid out something, as would the leather shop and all the insurers.
    Probably cost about 10 times the value of the claim and took 4 years to sort out.
    Sometimes you need an arbitrator to say, 'split the bill' (but not the way school teachers do it).


    Friend came up with an intersting idea the other day , how to judge how happy, forward thinking , etc. a society is. The ratio between lawyers and engineers in the population.
    More lawyers :BAD
    More engineers :GOOD

    I suggested the idea to some drunken Germans I met , they liked it , but then they were all engineers :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2012
     
    No James, you've got it wrong mate. Only lawyers constitute pollution, however many ells it's got! :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeJul 30th 2012 edited
     
    argh , ment population not polution, edited above post ( easily muddled )
    • CommentAuthordickster
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2012
     
    I loved the creativity of the final flame moment when it all came together and rose into one big torch, but a part of me (the British bit) fully expected one of the pipes to stay where it was on the ground! It didn't happen though, hurrah!
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2012
     
    The irony of the predicted chaos (remember that taxi driver I spoke to?) and subsequent, actually consequent, killing-off of almost all tourist activity came home to me when watching the news and interviews with traders in the main shopping areas of London.

    On the one hand "they" were predicting a £zillion windfall, on the other they were telling people to avoid the place because of the chaos, a word actually used both before and since.

    This is your left hand.

    This is your right hand.

    Inside here is your brain.

    :cry:
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      CommentAuthorDamonHD
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2012
     
    Kingston town centre was quite quiet generally from a shopping pov with the time trials whizzing down one side earlier: again, I think anyone not actively setting out to watch the sport has hung back to avoid getting snarled up in traffic, and that may be the right thing to do. Poor day for the shops though.

    My windows were due to have their final measurements taken for the upgrade to 3G today, but I pointed out to the surveyor that his journeys to and from me would clash with the cycling and he might want to avoid that, so he's coming tomorrow instead. Does no harm, reduces potential conflict.

    A but like Y2K: if everything works it looks like the worry was overdone.

    Rgds

    Damon
    • CommentAuthorrhamdu
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2012
     
    200 'petals' (one for each Olympic nation) at maybe 5kW each, so 1MW for the whole cauldron.

    Insignificant compared with the jet fuel consumed in carrying people to and from the Olympics. Probably responsible for less GHG emissions than the 'largest MacDonalds in the world'.

    But an unfortunate image for the supposedly 'green' games. As the petals locked in the upright position I was saying to myself 'now they can turn the gas down'. Instead, they turned the gas up.
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    Hey come on now! Once every 4 years. At least with some of the Chinese population over here the number of coal fired stations built in China this month might fall? Actually some may stay long term so the benefit could be massive. Has anyone told the athletes that need to go home after?
    No, not racist just making a point.
    :wink:
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2012 edited
     
    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2012/08/summer-olympics-the-greenest-games-ever

    Has some interesting claims..

    "There are now 8 kW of capacity of vertical axis wind turbines that provide about 7,500 kWh a year, yet they only provide enough energy to power 40% of the high-powered streetlights."

    That much? How few "streetlights" are there in the park?
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2012
     
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      CommentAuthorjoe90
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2012
     
    I think this is a case of Olympic officials shooting themselves in the foot, shame this is not a sport or we could win even more medals:bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorJoiner
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2012
     
    :bigsmile:
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