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  1.  
    Am looking at using air dried oak posts for a series of ground supported balconies and decks, should be able to get these machined to size off site but will still need to drill some holes for bolts, pilots for coach screw and possibly trimming on site if not quite right.

    What's my best bet in terms of drill type, speed etc and if I do need to do any cutting best thing for the job.

    Also thought to use stainless screws, bolts etc but am concerned about their torq strength, with coach screws would not want to left with a broken screw embedded in there.... also what about concealed angle brackets, hangers etc would galv be ok?

    J
  2.  
    James,

    I know of an oak building not so far away where, although s/s bolts were used, the posts sit in galv 'shoes'. The galvanising on the 'shoes' has been attacked and they have rusted after under 2 years.

    I know little re s/s in buildings, but have some knowledge re replacement motorcycle parts, where different grades were available for different uses.

    Nick
  3.  
    Might be worth stainless throughout then....

    My experience with stainless fixings is that with screws and a power drive its very easy to disintegrate the head or even twist it off, sam e could be a costly/ugly problem on a bigger scale...

    J
  4.  
    Use hex torx screws

    My experince using oak is to use normal wood bits and drills, just make sure they are sharp.
    Oak will blunt everything quite quickly, so need to keep checking.
    Use a normal circular saw but make sure its still square if its been used already if you want nice square cuts
  5.  
    You are correct. Stainless varies greatly in quality. You get what you pay for for the most part but check the grade you are being sold,
    Gusty.
  6.  
    A while back I had to replace some oak frames on my boat they were only 30mm square so this may not work for you, but an old boat builder gave me a great tip: get hold of an old bicycle wheel and cut the spokes out to the length you need heat one end and flatten it and hey presto a drill bit to make a pilot hole in oak! it really did work for me a bit Heath Robinson but saved me a fortune in drill bits.
    • CommentAuthorBeau
    • CommentTimeAug 21st 2012
     
    You should not have any special problems drilling oak. As for coach screws I like the Spax Wirox Torx head from Screwfix. I have used the normal treated Spax coach screws over the years and had no noticeable trouble with corrosion. For a cheap option the Turbo coach screws have proved very good for me.
    • CommentAuthorSprocket
    • CommentTimeAug 21st 2012
     
    What they all said.
    Decent quality stainless parts. Galvanized not good... You don't want Zinc around that tannin.
    V.sharp tools.

    All screws to go into pilot holes (never into plain timber).

    Should be fine and extra setup expense repaid in lifetime.

    Think about finish you want. Left to itself outside oak will silver. Alternatively you can oil it. Or you can laquer/varnish it tho I wouldn't.
    • CommentAuthorHairlocks
    • CommentTimeAug 21st 2012
     
    Posted By: James Norton
    My experience with stainless fixings is that with screws and a power drive its very easy to disintegrate the head or even twist it off, sam e could be a costly/ugly problem on a bigger scale...


    I bet an impact driver all not disintegrate the head.
    • CommentAuthorqeipl
    • CommentTimeAug 29th 2012
     
    Auger bits for cutting bolt holes. Slow drill speed. Reversible drill in case the auger sticks. Side handle to protect the wrists. Twist drills are fine for pilot holes.

    If using stainless screws get proper wood screws with a tapering shank (i.e. fatter at the head end). The modern sort with parallel shanks are inclined to shear at the head if too much torque is applied.

    Galvanized is OK for concealed metalwork but use a generous layer of bedding compound (a polyurethane mastic is good) between the metal and the oak to inhibit corrosion. Same for galvanized bolts - give them a good coating of bedding compound before driving them home.

    Silicon bronze is best, of course, for all fastenings and metalwork.
  7.  
    Fantastic advice Malcolm, many thanks, :bigsmile:

    J
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2012
     
    Posted By: gustyturbineYou are correct. Stainless varies greatly in quality. You get what you pay for for the most part but check the grade you are being sold,

    Can you be a bit more specific?

    My limited understanding: the usual grades are A2 and A4. A2 is stronger/less brittle but A4 is more corrosion resistant in weird applications. Would I be right to guess you'd be better to use A2 for external oak?
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeSep 4th 2012
     
    Iron/steel fixings will certainly corrode and stain green oak. Probably seasoned oak as well. I also recall a post somewhere of a problem with "brass" screws causing staining. They turned out to be cheap brass plated steel.

    Perhaps also see..

    http://www.bssa.org.uk/cms/File/SSAS3.91-Austenitic%20Stainless%20Steels%20for%20Timber%20Fixings.pdf

    "Austenitic Stainless Steels for Timber Fixings"

    Austenitic Stainless steel types 1.4301 (304) and 1.4401 (316) can be considered for fixing applications in timber structures where the wood species, applied chemical treatments or the environment may give a corrosion risk.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeSep 4th 2012
     
    If you look at an online supplier like:

    http://www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/ScrewBolt_M.html

    they use the terms A2 and A4 for the main grades.

    According to:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel#Types_of_stainless_steel

    these correspond to the 304 and 316 grades, respectively.
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 4th 2012
     
    A2 and A4 are the European terms for the common grades. 304 and 316 grades are the American equivalent terms. There are other grades as the Wikipedia article discusses. A2 will stain brown in a damp atmosphere, it doesn't need to get properly wet.
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