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    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012 edited
     
    The government will promise to get planning officers "off people's backs" when it announces changes to the rules governing homeowners and businesses.

    For a limited period, people will be allowed to build larger extensions on houses, with shops and offices able grow to the edges of their premises.

    This will cut red tape affecting firms and so help the economy, ministers say.

    But the Local Government Association says it is a "myth" that the planning system is stopping house-building.

    It is releasing figures which show a backlog of 400,000 prospective homes which have planning permission but have not yet been built. It says these "conclusively prove" the planning system is not holding back development.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19496204


    Not sure if this will help anyone?
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    Heard this on Radio 4 this a.m. Delighted to hear I can extend up to 26ft (IIRC) without PP. Now, what will the neighbours at the end of my (fictitious) 23ft garden think? :bigsmile:
    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012
     
    Housebuilders will no longer have to build affordable homes on some stalled sites if they can prove they would be commercially unviable. The plans could help get work started on 75,000 homes on sites currently abandoned because they are not deemed profitable.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a97e2114-f7f4-11e1-bec8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz25fvBsdhh
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012
     
    Posted By: TriassicFor a limited period, people will be allowed to build larger extensions on houses, with shops and offices able grow to the edges of their premises.

    Is it just me or does this seem entirely arbitrary and unfair? I could understand a considered decision to allow larger extensions (not sure whether I would personally support it, but I could understand it) but just making a temporary relaxation seems irrational. Firstly because it only benefits whichever group of people happen to be in a position to take advantage. Secondly because there's an obvious incentive to rush to build a large extension while the chance is there. Which will lead to quite a few extensions that are awfully designed and built in the rush. It will also lead to some extensions that are unnecessary but just built because "we have to build now in case we do need it when the rules are back in force". I suspect it will also lead more local authorities to remove GPD rights on more planning permissions, in order to counter the relaxation.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012 edited
     
    It's good old Keynesian job-creation - build Heathrow 3rd runway - ignore consequences, long term need, or alternatives - just look at all the jobs in building it, the 'growth'. A shot in the arm for the extension-building industry likewise. And whatever else they can think of.

    The lunatic definition of 'growth' as the sole criterion - 'growth' is of any economic activity, whether useful or harmful or not - 'growth' includes emergency measures necessary to remediate other bits of 'growth' - everything fulfils the economic definition. Which would be OK if 'growth' was just some obscure economic classification - but it's actually presented as the prime criterion of national well-being, or at least the prime route to national well-being.
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012
     
    I hope that some enquiring newspaper hound will keep a close eye on which politicians and their friends take advantage of this temporary opportunity to exploit the system. Any bets which party will score highest?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012 edited
     
    What's the opposite of NIMBY? (a term originally applied to one of Thatcher's free-market cabinet ministers, who was all for house building/labour mobility - until it came to his own rich Cotswold village)
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    YOMPP? (Yes, on my patio, please - invitation from the neighbour at the end of your short back yard for you to build an 8m extension!)
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012
     
    Numpty?


    But conservatories are for sure not green and in my opinion neither are extensions. --- greenest government is not that any longer.

    Seems insane to me to remove what were very good controls from a system that worked, if it wasn't broken why mess with it.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012
     
    It seems to me in the housing market if the problem is that very few first time buyers can afford to buy and this means the purchasing chain is so blocked then removing the requirement for affordable housing is not going to help. Surely it needs the opposite.

    Maybe the government should require more affordable housing and purchase the houses themselves. Then rent them out putting a % of the rent to one side to act as the deposit after say 5 years should the occupants want to buy.

    Jonti
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012 edited
     
    Q&A: Housing and planning shake-up
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19504634
    What a load of b*ll*cks , next it'll be relaxation of energy efficiency standard ,
    Oh i forgot, thats already happen :tooth:
  3.  
    Building here at the moment a friend of mine must have 100mm partial cavity fill, 200mm in the floor and Lord only knows in the loft. With the current Welsh standards they estimate that it costs around £40,000 extra to build to current regs. If some help was available then that might start some builds off. This covers bird boxes and additional £400 surveys to larger washing lines......:shocked:
  4.  
    Oh and I forgot to mention that I dont think it will make any difference at all.
  5.  
    Given your other thread, Gusty, maybe you could use the new '8m rule' to build an extensin over your new neighbour's land!:bigsmile:
  6.  
    According to BBC news this evening changes are for England only so less bird boxes in Wales Gusty
  7.  
    be interested in seeing the details.
    Planners in my area seem happy to allow domestic shanty getto developement and seem to have no power of proactive enforcement , but raise your head above the parapet and make an application and they'll put all the hurdles in the way they can think of.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012
     
    Posted By: jamesingrambe interested in seeing the details.
    Planners in my area seem happy to allow domestic shanty getto developement and seem to have no power of proactive enforcement , but raise your head above the parapet and make an application and they'll put all the hurdles in the way they can think of.


    Jim,

    that is because they want to discourage you from interfering with their main work which is keeping up to date with current changes to the regs :bigsmile:

    Jonti
    • CommentAuthornikhoward
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2012
     
    more planning apps = greater income from fees for LA
    • CommentAuthorRoger
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2012
     
    The relaxations sound like a Charter for Fred West's.
    • CommentAuthormartint
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2012
     
    It wouldn't surprise me if this became permanent, together with an overall relaxtion of planning generally. Not a good time to be employed in the planning department of a council. What is lost in this though is that the benefit gained by a single individual can be at the expense of all his/her neighbours. I am lucky to live in an area where most of the neighbours have room to build a 8m extension, but it would be a blight on the area if they all went ahead and did it. We have building control (which I assume isn't being relaxed), so the benefit of planning rules and guidelines is for the community - this could easily be lost.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2012
     
    Just was lost, this is a huge retrograde step . I cannot understand what is going on.
  8.  
    Its relaxing here in Wales to so we will see what happens. You would still need to be in a fortunate position with money available, sat in a very poor account and also have the inclination to spend all your hard earnt cash in uncertain times. My mistake, the banks will give us all the cash we need and off we go building, just like old times....

    Nick...:bigsmile

    Tony....If you cannot understand whats going on you shoul be a politician :wink:
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2012
     
    From http://www.bdonline.co.uk/5042229.article?origin=BDweeklydigest

    "The government has also pledged to crack down on poorly performing planning departments, with the worst put into ‘special measures’ which would allow developers to bypass the local authority."
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    Hmmm, I would imagine when all goes back to normal you would have made lots of friends in the local planning department by bypassing them and if all developers can bypass then close the poorly performing department as it is clearly not needed. That would be Ceredigion gone.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2012
     
    Posted By: fostertompoorly performing planning departments
    Are these the ones that fail to give timely decisions (fair enough), or perhaps the ones that say no too often to Tory developers?
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2012
     
    Posted By: RogerThe relaxations sound like a Charter for Fred West's.


    Quite right Roger! Anyone who has built or helped to build an extension should be arrested on suspicion of being a mass murder.

    Nice to see someone bringing a well judged and sound opinion to this thread:bigsmile:

    Jonti
  10.  
    What about patio's:confused:
  11.  
    They're now on the first floor.
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    :rolling:
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2012
     
    Posted By: gustyturbineWhat about patio's:confused:" alt=":confused:" src="http:///forum114/extensions/Vanillacons/smilies/standard/confused.gif" >


    No Gustyturbine,

    you want to build something more substantial on top of all those dead bodies:bigsmile::bigsmile::bigsmile:
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