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    • CommentAuthorTriassic
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2012
     
    So you have the plot, a shed load of ideas, a few sketches, clippings from magazines and some ideas around how the interior should look, and it must be green!!

    So how do you find a suitable architect who is on the same wavelength and understands the green building principles?
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2012 edited
     
    • CommentAuthorqeipl
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2012
     
    Persuade one of the architects on here to do the job, or get them to recommend someone close to you?
    • CommentAuthorneilu
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2012
     
    If you've seen any recently built houses that you like the look of you could then try to find the planning application documents for it on the council's online planning application search.
    You should be able to view or download the drawings and find out who the architect was.
    I suspect that most architects will be sympathetic to your green principles.
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2012
     
    I would go by personal recommendation, and ask around.

    Make sure he understands what you want. All too often architects forget who the client is and design what they think is right.
    Make sure you get one who values your input.

    If you want one that understands green building make sure you check his portfolio.

    Also make sure the architect will allow you to manage on site if thats what you want and not force you to use them for that.
    • CommentAuthornikhoward
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2012
     
    Very hard, but we had to sack our first and still had a couple of issues with the second.

    Def get recommendations and if you see any interesting properties near you ask who they used.

    RIBA.

    Write a brief (maybe post it on here for advice (maybe)) and then take a day off and phone every single architect and technicians you can find, phone them up to introduce yourself then email it to them. Out of the long list, whittle down to a few you like and arrange to meet them. The one or two remaining, look at completed projects and take up references. Then six months later sack them and use the first one you heard of.

    Hope this helps,

    Nik
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2012
     
    How about you telling an architectural technician what you want?
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    We used the 'Architect in the House' scheme where you get an architect for an hour for a donation to Shelter. It was a good initial chat to throw around ideas and in the end ours stayed for a couple of hours because he was interested in our project. It proved useful.
    • CommentAuthorwookey
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2012
     
    You can have the same prob with architectural technicians as architects, although I think it remains a good idea for the clueful. We used an architectural technician a friend recommended, but he turned out to be no good from a green point of view, and would have been great if what we wanted was 'cheapest possible build', but that's not what we asked for. I just did it all myself in the end which was slow, and no doubt cost me extra, but I got what I wanted (It's great, and people even say it looks nice :-)
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2012 edited
     
    Got to say, that the most knowledgeable and clued-up client/owner, giving 'just draw it up' instructions to technician (or docile architect) will end up with something that is at best competent but ordinary, or naffly flamboyant in its magazine-spotted features. I see that frequently, most recently in the excellent effort by my much-respected structural engineer, including detailing he says he's 'borrowed' from me!

    At that, it might well be better than ditto entrusted to an 'average' architect, but a 'good' architect is one who can do all the technical/greenie stuff, plus 'something more' that the client never imagined. It prob won't be 'cheapest possible' but years down the line the intangible benefit of the 'something more' will still be appreciated. So
    Posted By: tonytelling an architectural technician what you want
    may not serve you best.
  2.  
    Not forgetting there's a difference between Architectural Technician and Architectural Technologist - the latter requiring BSc Hons.

    A gnats eyebrow short of a BArch:devil:
    • CommentAuthormatt2052
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2012
     
    I am planning to build a house on passive principles with good solar gain on the Shrops/Powys border. It is just in Shropshire. I am trying to locate an Architect (pref local) that will help with my design etc.
    Any contacts/ideas.
    thanks Matt
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2012 edited
     
    Sounds a great project. You could try Pat Borer architect at CAT for some time who lives near Oswestry.

    Can also recommend you good structural engineer in Shrewsbury who understands all the green stuff.

    Where is your plot?
    • CommentAuthormatt-2052
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2012
     
    cheers Nigel- my plot is near Churchstoke- about 14 miles from Newtown.Structural Eng might be useful as planning a green roof.
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2012
     
    I definitely agree with the suggestion to get recommendations. I also think that finding one that can build the spec and type of house that you want is a priority. So ideally they have done something similar before or they make a very strong case that they are qualified. Local is good - it makes communication and site visits much easier. Spend enough time with them before hiring them to convince yourself that you can work with them. And take up references.
    • CommentAuthorPugliese
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2012 edited
     
    Also, look at your local planning files and identify the architects who are successful at getting 'marginal' applications through. This not only demonstrates a level of technical competency but they probably have the ear of the planners so can smooth matters out. We did this and it has proved worth the extra expense as we had an issue over an access lane and potentially a £50k bill, their skill and relationship with the planners made it go away - phew! Not sure a less experienced person could have managed that.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2012 edited
     
    I don't believe that 'relationship with the local planners' thing that clients look for because it sounds like sense from their friends and advisors. The only way that seems to help is when terrible crummy applications get through and one fears that e.g. farmers have leaned on their Councillor mates to get Consent for yet another dreary conspicuous bungalow for family member in some virgin field, prob against Officers' recommendation.

    There was a time when there were architectural old-hands in Planning Depts, that one could have a creative design conversation with, but that's long-gone, and now there's a different breed with no time for that. Sometimes LB and Conservation Officers have a bit more time for such conversations. But the turnover of staff is considerable and it's rare to deal with the same Officer twice.

    What works is not special relationship, but just obviously knowing what you're talking about (not difficult to beat the average on that), presenting proposals with excellent drawings (again, very easy to stand out from most of the rubbish they have to look at), playing the advanced Sustainability/Energy card (they often go out on a limb to support that), and treating them as peers, not as annoyances to be manipulated (advice like 'ask for more, so they can cut you down'). They often seem pitifully grateful for the latter!

    Ask for exactly what you really really want, beautifully drawn, no games, just substantiate its 'rightness' and let that energy carry you through.
  3.  
    I'd agree with Tom 100% on this.
    • CommentAuthorPugliese
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2012 edited
     
    Tom- I can't disagree with the majority of what you have said but my experience in our area is that there has not been a rapid turnover of staff. Sure there has been some rationalisation but the key staff have remained and been in place for many years. So there are long standing relationships and professional respect between certain architects and the planners and it is just one of the factors to look out for in choosing an architect. Taking this into account has served us well - it just so happens that they also listened to us and had some excellent design ideas as well

    Posted By: fostertomI don't believe that 'relationship with the local planners' thing that clients look for because it sounds like sense from their friends and advisors. The only way that seems to help is when terrible crummy applications get through and one fears that e.g. farmers have leaned on their Councillor mates to get Consent for yet another dreary conspicuous bungalow for family member in some virgin field, prob against Officers' recommendation.

    There was a time when there were architectural old-hands in Planning Depts, that one could have a creative design conversation with, but that's long-gone, and now there's a different breed with no time for that. Sometimes LB and Conservation Officers have a bit more time for such conversations. But the turnover of staff is considerable and it's rare to deal with the same Officer twice.

    What works is not special relationship, but just obviously knowing what you're talking about (not difficult to beat the average on that), presenting proposals with excellent drawings (again, very easy to stand out from most of the rubbish they have to look at), playing the advanced Sustainability/Energy card (they often go out on a limb to support that), and treating them as peers, not as annoyances to be manipulated (advice like 'ask for more, so they can cut you down'). They often seem pitifully grateful for the latter!

    Ask for exactly what you really really want, beautifully drawn, no games, just substantiate its 'rightness' and let that energy carry you through.
    • CommentAuthorecohome
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2012
     
    PS. (for nigel) they can be female too :P

    Get a list from your local RIBA branch, have a good nosy around their websites, ring them & ask for clients who you can speak to, speak to clients, interview at least three practices (if you can find 3 you like the look of). Concentrate on creating, between you, a good brief. Show them you ideas but try not to be dogmatic, they will analyse your site & discuss options.
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2012
     
    Thanks ecohome for your helpful comment. Fairly obvious that I was not implying anything but perhaps safest not to bother helping other people for fear of the PC brigade of which you are clearly a member.
    • CommentAuthorRobur
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2012
     
    Perhaps find someone with the experience you are looking for - Architects/Designers have such a broad area to cover that you often cannot have it all :-) Some examples might be: low energy design, earth construction, timber frame construction, fashionable aesthetic, contract administration, self-build, solid wall masonry construction, alternative energy systems, detailed design, structural understanding, renovation.... the list is long :-) Perhaps we should draw up a pick and mix skills tick list here for clients to use as an aid ?
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2012
     
    Posted By: nigelof which you are clearly a member.
    Oooooh! FWIW I think ecohome was quite right and nearly pointed it out myself. Never thought of myself as particularly PC.
  4.  
    Posted By: nigel
    of which you are clearly a member.
    Oooooh! FWIW I think ecohome was quite right and nearly pointed it out myself. Never thought of myself as particularly PC.

    +1 for Ecohome and RobinB. I like to think that the Forum is generally immune from excessively abrasive comment. Let's keep it so.
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      CommentAuthornigel
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2012
     
    This forum used to be a really pleasant place to be where help was readily offered by many.
    Now there is just so much snipping.
    My post should have said he/she and I have never ever suggested there are no female architects. But isn't it all a bit sad you have to be so so careful because someone is going to jump up and down.
    And if you read through the whole topic someone else has said 'he' inadvertently they can wait to get picked up upon.

    If the general feeling is that this sort of thing is good then so be it then I will respect your views but will probably refrain from joining in in future.
  5.  
    Honestly, if you re-read ecohome's comment it does not appear to be sniping, and you and I seem to feel the same (''This forum used to be a really pleasant place to be where help was readily offered by many.'' - i would say generally still is), so I really don't think there is an issue. The 'picking up' was just over your response which seemed a bit curt. Let's continue on the basis that we both (and many others) think this is a really friendly and helpful forum. On a general note, please don't let a minor spat stop anyone from contributing to the Forum. It needs you all.

    Nick
  6.  
    ...note also the careful use of the jovial, 'raspberry smiley: :P

    J
  7.  
    Click on the link above the green triangle for a list of UK Certified Passive House Designers http://www.viking-house.co.uk/
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