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    • CommentAuthorjamesbl
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    Foam filler has become an 'essential tool' for housebuilders to improve the airtightness of their dwellings. I am struggling to find any technical information about its environmental impact . It looks bad - Is it ?
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    Have a look at Bath Univ's Index of Carbon and Energy (ICE). I don't know if they have (embodied energy) figures for squirty foam specifically, but they will surely list Pu. Yes, I guess it's bad - it's a petrochemical foam. On te positive side you don't use that much of it!
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    and will hopefully save vast amounts of energy-in-use therefore GHG etc, in its installed lifetime. Best poss use for petrochemicals, if any.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    Second best, first is using it a chemical feedstock for pharmacuticles
  2.  
    Have used lots of squirty foam in our place, good stuff, but going off it because
    1) mice seem to love shredding it up to make cozy nesting bedding
    2) Not totally airtight, especially if you trim back the bead of foam thus removing the surface skin. Also doesnt stick to all materials but leaves a hairline gap.
  3.  
    Some PU foams use soy or castor bean oil as the source of the polyols so it's not 100% "petrochemical" - though one could argue about the worth of using food crops for non-food use etc.

    Paul in Montreal.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenAlso doesnt stick to all materials but leaves a hairline gap.
    That's the shrinkage for you.
    • CommentAuthorborpin
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    Posted By: SteamyTea
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenAlso doesnt stick to all materials but leaves a hairline gap.
    That's the shrinkage for you.
    Soudal flexifoam seems to get round this. Posted a youTube link a while back.
    • CommentAuthorrhamdu
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: WillInAberdeenAlso doesnt stick to all materials but leaves a hairline gap.


    If you have found a material that does not stick to squirty foam, that's a more important discovery than squirty foam itself!

    Of course, dust can stop anything sticking to anything. You need clean surfaces. And slightly damp, too, if you believe the manufacturers' instructions. I tend to apply a fine water spray before letting loose with the frothy sticky stuff.

    On reflection, the main reason for foam not sticking to surfaces is that it very quickly forms a non-sticky skin. If a blob of foam only begins to press against a surface after a minute's expansion, it won't stick. Like plaster, the foam has to hit the surface with a bit of momentum while fresh, and then it will stick. Aim the nozzle at the edges of the gap, not into the middle.
    • CommentAuthorjamesbl
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2012
     
    Shredding by mice and hairline gaps do not bode well for long term savings of GHGs. Are there other forms of deterioration over time ?

    Are we ignoring embodied energy now and is there any offgassing ... and does anyone know how it scores for under GWP - I couldn't find any technical literature from manufacturers to tell me.

    Surely building with more precision and care is better than foam in every orifice !
  4.  
    Jamesbl said: ''Surely building with more precision and care is better than foam in every orifice ! ''

    I would agree in an ideal world, but consider an underdrawing insulation job in a hip-roofed attic conversion, with angles everywhre, rafters with unequal centres, on the twist, and everything else you find as you drop the ceiling! I think there is immense scope for gaps and leakage, and would rather see some foam than gaps hidden behind a well-fitting piece of plasterboard.
    • CommentAuthorSeret
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2012
     
    Posted By: jamesbl
    Surely building with more precision and care is better than foam in every orifice !


    Of course, but stopping an existing hole up with foam is better than letting all the heat leak out through it. Most people don't have the luxury of building their own home, or even buying a newly built one.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2012
     
    Posted By: rhamduIf you have found a material that does not stick to squirty foam, that's a more important discovery than squirty foam itself!

    Loads that don't stick to it, it is how we used to mould it :wink:
  5.  
    You'd be surprised what mice will attack. I'd found they had shredded and/or removed some of the horribly itchy original glass fibre insulation under the living room window.
    • CommentAuthornikhoward
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2012
     
    Posted By: jamesblShredding by mice and hairline gaps do not bode well for long term savings of GHGs. Are there other forms of deterioration over time ?

    Are we ignoring embodied energy now and is there any offgassing ... and does anyone know how it scores for under GWP - I couldn't find any technical literature from manufacturers to tell me.

    Surely building with more precision and care is better than foam in every orifice !


    do both?
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