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    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    In another thread SteamyTea wrote:
    Post box on the outside seems sensible, except my parking is arouind the back and I sometimes don't open the front door for months.

    Thinking about the houses of various friends in more rural houses, access always seems to be via the back door into the kitchen. In fact, I'm not sure I've even seen the front door of one lot's house.

    Therefore for my house I'm planning to have only a backdoor - well, only one door which will open on to a small hall which mostly gives access to the kitchen first.

    Assuming the presence of appropriately placed escape windows, can anybody see any problems with that?
    • CommentAuthorjamesingram
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012 edited
     
    What are front doors for? Guests and strangers
    • CommentAuthornikhoward
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    kerb appeal?
    • CommentAuthornikhoward
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    and, as i am a tradesman, i mostly use the tradesman's entrance ie the back door
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    If you only have a back door, then perhaps the purpose of the front door is to meet fire regs. The other thing to consider is to make sure that at least one door provides a wide access for bringing awkward furniture etc in and out.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: djhIf you only have a back door, then perhaps the purpose of the front door is to meet fire regs.

    Yes, that's what I wondered about. However, flats typically only have one door so I don't think two doors is a blanket requirement but I do wonder if there's something more complicated. Didn't see anything in my reading of the Scottish technical handbook but it's the sort of thing that's easy to miss.

    Posted By: djhThe other thing to consider is to make sure that at least one door provides a wide access for bringing awkward furniture etc in and out.

    Yes. And not just wide but also with a straight path through for easier handling of long things.

    Having lived in a croft house with very narrow external doors (wouldn't be legal on new build, I think) and awkward turns for the last two years I'm very aware of this.
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    Is it easier to achieve wheelchair access ( part M ) via front door ?,
    • CommentAuthorrhamdu
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    Posted By: Ed Daviesdoor which will open on to a small hall which mostly gives access to the kitchen first.


    We've got a door like that. At the front.
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    Well, my front door is for getting into the house. Like many houses, the front door faces the road, through the front garden. The back door is all the way round the back, through the side gate. The side gate, this being london, is always locked.

    I've never actually lived in a house where the "normal" entrance is through the back door (out of 4)
    • CommentAuthormike7
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    I had a house with no front door and no back door. It did have two side doors though, one on each side. Ensured a good through draught.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012
     
    Posted By: dimengineerI've never actually lived in a house where the "normal" entrance is through the back door (out of 4)

    Yes, the houses I'm talking about are all rural with the front door facing onto the road but with parking at the side or back.

    I'm not overly concerned whether you call it a front or back door, though; more whether building control are likely to make a fuss if there's only one.
  3.  
    If my front door was blocked up, to get to the front of the house (and the outside world) from the inside I'd have to climb over the barbed wire fence at the bottom of the garden and walk through a field full of small springs, probably sink into mud up to the knees and then go all the way round to get back to the nearest road.

    Or climb up onto the flat roof of the outhouse and jump down the other side.

    Probably with non-linked houses, having front and back doors is simply traditional.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 4th 2012 edited
     
    I used to have a Victorian Terrace, I put the kitchen in the front and used the front door as the main door. The back door was blocked off and the window was replaced with large opening doors into the living room. All the neighbours thought it odd at first but 2 of them did the same in the end. Was better than the galley kitchen.
    I seem to remember that there were rules about moving furniture about, saw it on a TV program many years ago.

    It does seem to be a rural thing that we use the back door. If you are lucky people can fall down the semi-hidden mine shaft. Or front room:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-420263/Bargain-house-swallowed-1-000-ft-shaft.html
    • CommentAuthorSeret
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2012
     
    Well, most housing isn't fully detached so I'd say for most folks having both front and back doors is somewhat useful ;)

    My in laws have a nice old place in the country in Cornwall. Everyone comes and goes through the back door, the front door is only used for access to the garden.
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    Posted By: Ed Davies
    I'm not overly concerned whether you call it a front or back door, though; more whether building control are likely to make a fuss if there's only one.


    Can't see any problem there, it will just have to meet all the disabled access requirements, might have a negative effect on any house valuation though, just depends on the specific layout and how easy it is to get shopping in etc without trailing through house.
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: Ed Davies'm not overly concerned whether you call it a front or back door, though; more whether building control are likely to make a fuss if there's only one.


    If you have windows that form a "means of escape" as defined by the current regs I'm sure there's no problem. I'd think most houses have windows that meet that definition.
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    Posted By: Ed DaviesHaving lived in a croft house with very narrow external doors (wouldn't be legal on new build, I think) and awkward turns for the last two years I'm very aware of this.

    The old croft houses either side of us both have only 1 door each.

    Some recently built (less than 10 years) 'pseudo'[1] croft houses just up the road also have only 1 door each. They were specifically built as sellf-catering rentals, not sure if that is relevant?

    [1] They look like stone built thatched cottages. In practice they are timber frame, plus blockwork 'outer' skin, plus a thick 'decorative' layer of stonework! They are very cozy.
    • CommentAuthorRobinB
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2012
     
    ...and the back-to-backs around here only have a front door too.
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    The rural tradition round here is that you should use your front door only on your way home from your wedding, and on your way out to your funeral.

    The kitchen should be the heart of the home and the back door gives access straight into it, sometimes via a lobby where you leave your boots coats and dogs.

    Having said that, many trad buildings now have had conservatory/sunroom type extensions grafted over the original front door, which then becomes an internal door.

    We had only one functioning door from our (old) house for many years, but now have 3 including patio doors from a sunroom and a recent door added to give direct access from utility room out to washing line / woodstore area.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeOct 5th 2012
     
    Thanks all, particularly:

    Posted By: skyewrightSome recently built (less than 10 years) 'pseudo'[1] croft houses just up the road also have only 1 door each.

    Seems like if there is any problem it could be from very recent changes to the regs, so probably fine.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeOct 6th 2012
     
    Don't under estimate the difficulty with the disabled access regs (Part M). We had to persuade the BCO to allow us to have a gravel driveway. He agreed on condition we had a hard standing for the car near the house and hard surfaces from the hardstanding to the door. He said this was ok because in such a rural location (on a slope as well) a disabled person was most likely to come and go by car. That argument might help if you want the primary entrance around the back and can get the car there..

    I think many houses would look odd without a front door but in the right situation/design it could work fine.
  7.  
    Only last night I had a big debate as to where was the front and back of my house (detached), wife, in-laws, son etc - the only argument for one side being the front was that that was where the 'front' door is (the one we use most often)! No back door on this floor because is the middle floor.......it's complicated!
  8.  
    In about 1950, I think, our house was re-orientated.
    The present front door faces the road, which originally ran through the farmyard, with the house on one side and various outbuildings on the other. That was then the back door.
    The front door with drive was on the other side, but is now the back. The staircase was also moved round. Formerly it opened straight off the large entrance kitchen, but now it runs the other way, from a small hall behind the (now) front door.
    I deduced this from traces of old wallpaper preserved on the section of wall covered up by the staircase, and also a strip of Victorian wallpaper inside the edge of a later partition wall.

    But we often use two other doors, one also at the front but from the scullery, another at a higher level from a storage room.

    The more doors the merrier I say.
    • CommentAuthorrhamdu
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2012
     
    A friend in Leeds had two addresses, for a house with doors onto two streets.

    Architecturally, however, one was definitely the front and the other was the back.
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2012
     
    Posted By: Cliff PopeThe more doors the merrier I say.

    But well insulated and airtight doors are expensive. I'd rather spend the money elsewhere if possible.
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