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    • CommentAuthortimbrennan
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2012 edited
     
    Just wondering exactly how much insulation benefit a terraced house in the uk has over a semi. All other factors being equal.

    If anyone can point me to a research paper or book with some numbers that would be really helpful. Ideally I would like to know how big the heating bill might typically be for each.

    Thanks
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeOct 10th 2012
     
    All other things being equal I would say 28% cheaper for a mid-terrace assuming rectangular shape twice as long as it is wide. could say 30% cheaper, outside walls loose a lot of heat.
    • CommentAuthornikhoward
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    Can't quite any stats, but we should build more terrace houses, very good heat loss wise and efficient use of space (I hate modern detached houses that are smaller than a 2 bed Victorian terrace)
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    I read somewhere that the calculations were fundamentally flawed because there is air leakage between the houses. Not sure if this would apply to new housing though.
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    Posted By: SteamyTeaI read somewhere that the calculations were fundamentally flawed because there is air leakage between the houses.


    Would that really matter as long as the meighbouring properties were heated?

    I would heve thought for affordable, better insulated housing which has a small footprint that terrace housing would be the way forward.

    Jonti
    • CommentAuthorEd Davies
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    Isn't there usually a cavity between the houses? I think the problem is convection within that cavity taking heat to the loft and roof so direct thermal conduction and air leaks to the cavity matter.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    my calcs were for Victorian type terraces, new could well be 30% more than a semi!
    • CommentAuthortimbrennan
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    Tony, Victorian non insulated solid brick walls are what I have in mind too.

    Thats very interesting. How did you calculate that number?
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    Posted By: Ed DaviesIsn't there usually a cavity between the houses? I think the problem is convection within that cavity taking heat to the loft and roof so direct thermal conduction and air leaks to the cavity matter.


    In the old days they built them without cavities between - I have 3 bricks between my house and the attached neighbour.

    Paul in Montreal.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    My calc goes something like this :- for a terrace two long walls no heat loss, front and back = two units of heat loss, ceiling = 2 more and floor another one = total 5, then semi = solid party wall = front and back 2 again, party wall nil, flank wall 2, ceiling 2 and floor 1 = total 7; all very simplistic (7-5)/7 = about 30% A new terrace with cavity, now party walls loose lots as only a half brick walls = 30% more than a solid party wall semi.

    Cavities were a big mistake :cry:
    • CommentAuthorJonti
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012 edited
     
    Then why build cavity walls nowadays!!! Surely no new house should have them anyway.

    Jonti
    • CommentAuthorbarney
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    I guess it depends on if they are ventilated or not, Jonti - and if ventilated, do you recover the heat - so called zero heat loss walls.

    Full fill cavity walls tend to be better as there is less convective loss

    Regards

    Barney
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    Posted By: Ed DaviesIsn't there usually a cavity between the houses?
    That jogged the memory a bit and I think that was what it was saying
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    Until recently it was not allowed to fill party wall cavities -- NHBC rules and sound/fire rules too?
    • CommentAuthoralexc
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2012
     
    makes a difference. Modern house built 2003. A d on the epa . So quite average rubbish.
    I live end of terrace. No neighbour last year . Approx 10-15% more cost than the heating on at 100 students on company year out. Company picked their bills up. Cheap heating that year. Now if we were all misers like myself/wife, we'd be paying more. Still def makes a difference, even with north no sun, facing wall
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