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  1.  
    I have installed WUFI light 5.1, which is the free version, but it doesn’t have climate data for the UK. I have also installed Meteonorm 6.1 demo, but the demo version won’t output WUFI/WAC format. I have a climate data file for Grenoble which I could edit but I don’t know where to get the local climate data from in the right format. Are there any WUFI experts who can help?
  2.  
    Sorry for bumping this. If nobody can help with the data can anyone recommend somebody who can do a WUFI analysis for me?
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2012
     
    Posted By: PeterStarckI have a climate data file for Grenoble which I could edit but I don’t know where to get the local climate data from in the right format
    Isn't all climate data just real-world numbers, which isn't in any special format, so you could laboriously copy numbers from one to the other? Or are you hoping to copy whole blocks of rows and cols?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2012
     
    I think we have done this somewhere on here and it was not that hard to get the data and format it for WUFI.
    Do you know the format you need?
  3.  
    The Grenoble data file is labelled WAC and consists of 8760 lines and 10 columns. The columns are labelled WD WS WV RN PSTA TA HREL ISDH ISD ILAH and the first line of data is 104 0.2 0.1 0 1006.5 -4.5 0.88 0 0 279. The first line is, I think, for 01.00 on 1st Jan. I don't know what the columns represent so any guidance would be gratefully received. I've done a search on GBF but couldn't find anything relevant.
  4.  
    Hi Peter.

    This is a day from a weather file from Tas. The file extension is .twd. It's not a commercial file but used for Training. I don't know if these are usable in WUFI but I believe CIBSE keep weather files for sale
      Tas weather file.JPG
  5.  
    And the tabular data
      Tas weather file data.JPG
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2012
     
    Not sure if this is correct:

    WD (Wind Direction) 104 (°)
    WS (Windspeed) 0.2 (m/s) May be the mean or maximum
    WV (Wind Velocity) 0.1 (m/s) May the the mean or minimum
    RN ?
    PSTA (Air Pressure) 1006.6 (hPa)
    TA (Ambient Temperature) -4.5 (°C)
    HREL ? 0.88 Possibly height
    ASDN ? 0 No Idea
    ISD ? 0 No Idea
    ILAH (Solar) 279 (W/m^2)

    Try it with some more data and see if it makes sense or try googling the acronyms
  6.  
    Many thanks for the help, I'll persevere a little longer.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2012
     
    I see the problem. But surely crackable.
  7.  
    Thanks to the help given I've been able to progress a little. I've found the meanings of the column headings which are:-

    WD Wind Direction [°] North = 0
    WS Wind Speed, scalar average [m/s]
    WV Wind Velocity, vector average [m/s]
    RN Normal Rain [mm/h], [Ltr/m²h]
    PSTA Air Pressure at Station Height [hPa]
    TA Air Temperature [°C]
    HREL Relative Humidity [%] 0..1
    ISDH Direct Horizontal Radiation,short-wave [W/m²]
    ISD Diffuse Radiation, short-wave [W/m²]
    ILAH Atmospheric Counter Horizontal Radiation, long-wave [W/m²]

    Some of it doesn't mean much to me!

    Through the CISBE site I've found that the MET Office may release local weather station data for personal projects, so I'm pursuing that line of enquiry now.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 19th 2012 edited
     
    Start hunting around here for the data:
    http://eosweb.larc.nasa.gov/

    Wish I knew what the WV (vector wind speed) meant, is it a table of speed by direction or direction by speed or something else.
  8.  
    I can't figure out the difference between WS and WV because the units are the same. If I remember correctly a scalar has quantity and a vector quantity and direction!
    • CommentAuthorTimSmall
    • CommentTimeOct 19th 2012
     
    I think the problem with most data sets for use in Wufi is that they lack rain data. There is freely available info for Gatwick (via ASHRAE I think) which WUFI will read, but no rain in that, so it's only really useful for modelling things like floors, and rain-screened walls or ventilated roofs.

    I live in Brighton, and I believe what's done for local projects is to use something like the data for Ostend (which comes with WUFI) instead (in my case it's 170 miles away from me, and also on the coast, so might well be good enough - although I've not looked at the 2 data sets to compare them).
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 19th 2012
     
    I can quite often get weather data for most regions. Where we look to?
  9.  
    Steamy, just an idea but could the wind vector take the wind speed and wind direction into account so that a surface in WUFI, which has an orientation, could have driving rain effect calculated? Does that make sense?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2012
     
    Makes sense to me to use speed and direction in a calculation, but can't see from the WUFI data table why they have two figures (3 if you include direction). Cant have a mean wind speed of 0.2 and a vector windspeed that is different, 0.1, with only one wind direction.
    There is a good correlation between wind direction, speed, solar gain and temperature though. So maybe they have clumped that together into one number.
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: PeterStarck
    WS Wind Speed, scalar average [m/s]
    WV Wind Velocity, vector average [m/s]

    Doesn't that tell all?

    To calculate WS, take lots of wind speed readings (i.e. numbers), add them together and divide by n.

    To calculate WV, take lots of wind velocity readings (i.e. arrows), add them together and divide by n.

    e.g. readings: 5N, 5S; WS = (5+5) / 2 = 5; WV = (5^ + 5v) / 2 = 0
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2012
     
    Could the directional info be in the form of northing and easting wind velocities, which resolve into a third figure for speed?
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2012 edited
     
    Posted By: djhDoesn't that tell all?
    Don't think so as that would assume that for every warm wind there is and equal and opposite effect from a cold one.

    So you may have 10N and 5S but the S would have to have twice the warming (or cooling) effect of the N one.

    What it may be doing is counting and excluding calm periods as they have no direction or speed. So statistically they could be 0 or NULL, both would give a different mean though.

    I have tried with my data to analysis this, mean temperature by wind direction, but soon ran out of computing power with nearly 3 years worth of data. But may have another go with a different algorithm that is more efficient.
    • CommentAuthordjh
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2012 edited
     
    I asked: Doesn't that tell all?

    Steamy said: Don't think so as that would assume that for every warm wind there is and equal and opposite effect from a cold one.

    Which left me a bit bemused. I haven't followed this thread very closely so I just typed WUFI data into google, which gave me this link: http://www.wufi-wiki.com/mediawiki/index.php5/Details:Climate

    The meanings of those two fields are described in http://www.wufi-wiki.com/mediawiki/index.php5/Details:WET-File which matches what I said.

    Unfortunately the description for WAC format isn't very helpful, but there's perhaps enough info in the other descriptions to puzzle things out.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2012
     
    Right, so they are saying that it is the mean direction times the mean speed and with respect to rainfall (if there is any).
    So this must be to work out heat loss due to evaporation.

    So to take my SW facing wall, it would have a value of 0.2 m/s as the mean windspeed is 1.6 m/s for 15% of the time.
  10.  
    TimSmall, climate data for Belgium isn't included in my version of WUFI 5.1 Light. I wish it was because I'm only a few miles inland from Dover so Ostend would probably work for me. Anybody got an Ostend data file?
  11.  
    Here’s an update on the WUFI problem. The Met Office want round £200 for the detailed weather data. So I ran the WUFI demo version with the German weather data and because Icynene wasn’t in the reduced database of materials I substituted EPS. The upshot is that for my wall construction WUFI indicates I don’t need an internal vapour barrier. As this looks hopeful I’m going to ask the only WUFI expert I’ve heard of, who is in Ireland, to see if he can run WUFI with the correct data. I’ll let you know how I get on.
    • CommentAuthorTimSmall
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2012
     
    You can get figures from (I think) ASHRAE for Gatwick for free, but it doesn't include any driving rain info, therefore it's only useful for modelling ventilated rainscreen type problems (e.g. wall with rainscreen, or ventilated flat or pitched roof arrangements). i.e. no good for most masonry walls.
  12.  
    Thanks Tim, I did get the ASHRAE data for Gatwick but unfortunately the free version of WUFI only runs with one set of weather data which is a German set.
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