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    • CommentAuthoratomicbisf
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012
     
    On days like yesterday which are cold but sunny my loft gets quite warm, much warmer than the unheated house because of the thin asbestos cement roof sheeting which heats up in the sun.

    I was thinking of the possibility of using thermostatically controlled ventilation to draw warm air out of the loft and into the house.

    What do you think of the idea? Some have said it wouldn't be worth it but I reckon it would be easy to set up ( I know how to rig up temperature controlled fans etc).
    • CommentAuthorjms452
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012
     
    The principle is fine but there is one word in your post that makes me think that the loft might not be the best place to draw your air from...
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012
     
    Although it is is warm there is not nearly as much heat up there as you might think.
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012 edited
     
    Tony has used the word 'Heat' correctly here, it is the low specific heat capacity of air that is the real issue. But you can measure it if you have a temperate logger and know the volume and leakage (or create your own controlled leakage with a fan).
    I did my dissertation in this area, Solar Energy and storage a few years back. I still want it to work :wink:
    • CommentAuthorSeret
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012
     
    Posted By: jms452The principle is fine but there is one word in your post that makes me think that the loft might not be the best place to draw your air from...


    As long as the asbestos is in good nick there's no risk.

    Posted By: tonyAlthough it is is warm there is not nearly as much heat up there as you might think.


    But if it's thermostatically controlled it would only move the air that was above the temp in the house. So it's sound in theory. The main issue to my mind is rigging up the fan/duct in a way that wasn't a cold bridge and therefore a net heat loss.

    As to whether it'd be "worth it", it's probably pretty marginal, but why not have a go?
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    It's a waste of time. The amount of heat is small and, worse, the rate of production of that heat is not great either as the transfer to the air from asbestos board will not be very fast.

    Paul in Montreal.
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    There have been a couple of trials in Glasgow of bringing air under slates through the loft to ventilate the stair well, needs a small fan and bits of ducting. The stair well is an unheated space so there are none of the issues of thermal bridges mentioned above. Colin Porteous has written Papers (and I think books) on its effectiveness.

    I wouldn't use it for a heated space in Glasgow as we don't have the right conditions very often and the heat loss is certainly greater than the marginal heat gain. This passive heat gain can also be captured more efficiently through well designed windows.

    Cheers
    Matt
    • CommentAuthorGaryB
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012
     
    Nuaire have been doing this for years: http://www.nuaire.co.uk/Product/Residential_Products/Positive_Input_Ventilation/Drimaster_2000
    The controller compares loft air with room air and adjusts ventilation rates accordingly.
    • CommentAuthornikhoward
    • CommentTimeOct 15th 2012
     
    Sounds like a true solar passive design with large glass atrium on southside
    • CommentAuthoratomicbisf
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2012
     
    Posted By: nikhowardSounds like a true solar passive design with large glass atrium on southside


    Well the back of the house does face south west and has relatively large windows, so there is a lot of solar heating in sunny weather. Initially I thought it was due to the external steel cladding heating up in the sun but now I have improved the insulation there isn't a noticeable difference so it must be mainly the effect of the sun shining through the glass.

    The Nuaire product is interesting but seems a lot for what it is.
    • CommentAuthorGaryB
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2012
     
    It is easy to make your own version of the Nuaire Drimaster - a fan, filter intake and differential temperature controller (the most expensive bit).
    • CommentAuthoratomicbisf
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2012
     
    Posted By: GaryBIt is easy to make your own version of the Nuaire Drimaster - a fan, filter intake and differential temperature controller (the most expensive bit).


    That's what I was thinking. Perhaps with an Arduino or similar, it could activate also if the humidity reached more than a certain level too?
    • CommentAuthorcrusoe
    • CommentTimeOct 26th 2012
     
    The Drimaster (and vent-Axia copy) were simple, effective and reliable - ergo great bits of kit, but although they claimed to save fuel by de-stratifying the warm air lurking below the ceiling, I did have my doubts on that.

    In our first installation, the air coming in was always cooler than the house itself. Ventilation, yes, great. Defeating mould, yes, ditto. Even Radon dimunition by pressurisation. But heat gain from a poorly-insulated loft? Money better spent would be to insulate the loft or roof itself methinks.
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