Fri, 07 Aug 2026 19:39:03 +0100 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.0.3 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174236#Comment_174236 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174236#Comment_174236 Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:37:48 +0100 woodgnome I see there are plenty of beads etc, but cant find anything for using wet plaster straight on block-work.
That's what happens when your other half watches Grand Designs !
She wants them on the cieling/wall junction too...]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174262#Comment_174262 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174262#Comment_174262 Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:51:20 +0100 Triassic
You need to do that cost/benefit thing with her, or train her to plaster!]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174272#Comment_174272 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174272#Comment_174272 Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:32:50 +0100 skyewright
The first thing I thought when I saw what they were was "dust trap", however each to their own...

Someone on this link mentions using a U channel of some sort (presumably helps hide the unplastered blockwork?).

http://community.screwfix.com/thread/10945?start=0&tstart=0]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174275#Comment_174275 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174275#Comment_174275 Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:35:26 +0100 owlman https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174281#Comment_174281 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174281#Comment_174281 Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:18:52 +0100 bot de paille
Then use plasterboard metal edge beading to form the finish edge for the finish plaster.

What flooring is going down?]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174365#Comment_174365 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174365#Comment_174365 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:53:20 +0100 djh Posted By: skyewrightThe first thing I thought when I saw what they were was "dust trap"
Don't forget the spiders ...]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174368#Comment_174368 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174368#Comment_174368 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:07:23 +0100 calvinmiddle
did you take any photos - sounds intertesting and I'll like to see what it looks like]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174384#Comment_174384 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174384#Comment_174384 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:21:24 +0100 RobinB
http://www.hepworthwakefield.org/whatson/ The pictures keep changing but I think this links to a pic showing them.....]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174403#Comment_174403 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174403#Comment_174403 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:07:47 +0100 djh Posted By: RobinBpersonally I like them
I have no problem with their aesthetics. I just think they're a beautiful impractical waste of money.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174424#Comment_174424 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174424#Comment_174424 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:51:23 +0100 owlman did you take any photos - sounds intertesting and I'll like to see what it looks like

Yes, but as prints from film, I'll try and get them scanned somehow, to give you an idea.

djh. I just think they're a beautiful impractical waste of money.

Not necessarily, you don't have to buy and fix skirtings. Quite a saving if they are hardwood.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174469#Comment_174469 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174469#Comment_174469 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:45:13 +0100 woodgnome Beads i have found are for boarded walls, i was going to plaster straight on to block work.
http://www.expamet.co.uk/product/plasterers-accessories/metal-bead-plasterboard/feature-bead
http://www.buildingmaterials.co.uk/building-materials/plasterboard-accessories/15-15-shadow-gap-plasterboard-trim-3000mm/
http://www.barbourproductsearch.info/renderplas-makes-shadow-gaps-simpler-with-new-news016813.html

bot de paille, the problem i see with that is there is no finish on the back of the gap, just the block.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174476#Comment_174476 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174476#Comment_174476 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:15:39 +0100 bot de paille https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174503#Comment_174503 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174503#Comment_174503 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:39:03 +0100 owlman Just tried to whisper you the pics but the file is too big for the allowable 500kb. If you want to whisper your email then I'll send them that way.
Mike]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174558#Comment_174558 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174558#Comment_174558 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:23:12 +0100 cullym
http://www.expamet.co.uk/product/plasterers-accessories/metal-bead-internal-use/architrave-feature-bead]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174569#Comment_174569 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174569#Comment_174569 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:52:56 +0100 fostertom Posted By: bot de paillethe gap was around 5-8mm from the floor, so you would never see the back of the gapUsing plaster as airtight layer?]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174579#Comment_174579 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174579#Comment_174579 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:51:03 +0100 bot de paille
But back in the days when customers were swimming in (equity) cash, people were only interested in 2000 pound Smeg fridges, granite worktops, and shadow gaps... and that they would retire property millionaires]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174645#Comment_174645 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174645#Comment_174645 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:23:31 +0100 woodgnome
Edit..just worked out what/who SWMBO is..!]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174651#Comment_174651 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174651#Comment_174651 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 11:22:10 +0100 owlman https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174661#Comment_174661 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174661#Comment_174661 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:55:41 +0100 calvinmiddle
Got them thanks, haven't had a change to look at them in any detail yet but looks neat.

I like the idea of a shadow gap as can't stand skirtings. But may go for the "recessed style skirting where it sits flush with the wall and between them is a shadow gap.

Got another question though, what is the point of skirting and architraves and the rest of all that trim? Joiner on our reburb said that anywhere you had 2 different materials joining you needed to have trim to stop cracks showing.

But even with trim you still have 2 materials joining, so is the point to that the crack forms on the corner where they join so it's less noticable?]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174663#Comment_174663 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174663#Comment_174663 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:07:04 +0100 joe90 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174670#Comment_174670 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174670#Comment_174670 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:14:10 +0100 djh Posted By: joe90Architrave is fixed to the door frame, which will move as timber dries/shrinks/doors slam, but it slides over the plaster coat so yes you will have a line between timber/plaster but hardly noticable, less noticible than a crack between timber and plaster. Skirting as far as I know is just a fashionable kick panel. I really like tiled floors and an upstand of tiles acting as skirting.
I think the word kick is the most important one. All these bits of trim serve dual functions - they tidy up edge details and they provide impact protection to the plaster surface. A dado rail is perhaps the exception, in that all it does is provide impact protection unless you have a panelled dado. I agree about a tiled skirting.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174672#Comment_174672 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174672#Comment_174672 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:31:01 +0100 RobinB https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174673#Comment_174673 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174673#Comment_174673 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:40:41 +0100 Ed Davies https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174677#Comment_174677 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174677#Comment_174677 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:17:12 +0100 RobinB https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174680#Comment_174680 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174680#Comment_174680 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:32:43 +0100 Rex
Rex]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174886#Comment_174886 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174886#Comment_174886 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:02:39 +0100 fostertom Posted By: RobinBa proper dado rail would be at the height of your chair backsAlternative trad name is chair rail!]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174899#Comment_174899 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174899#Comment_174899 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:59:08 +0100 djh Posted By: RexAnother way to create a shadow gap is to dry line with Fermacell and then use a plunge saw on its side to trim away the lower edge, parallel with the floor. This could also be done on the top edge but only after the ceiling dry lining had been installed.

Why not install the Fermacell with a gap under it to start with? Or are you cutting away only part of the depth of the panel?]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174915#Comment_174915 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=174915#Comment_174915 Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:29:02 +0100 owlman
Generally making a continuous trimming cut afterwards produces a better crisper more parallel line especially if the floor is for instance previously laid wood or ceramic where any bottom line undulation would be noticable, especially if illuminated. Admittedly you do need the right tools though, IMO.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=224114#Comment_224114 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=224114#Comment_224114 Sun, 10 May 2015 08:11:22 +0100 Rex
Reading it again, there is the mention of architrave around doors, being there to allow movement between the door frame and plaster. Personally, I think it is there because the average plasterer is unable to do a very neat job and the architrave can be used to hide c**p workmanship. But I have never done any plastering so do not know how hard it it to make a neat edge finish.

However, I have a timber frame house, used Fermacell for the drylining the doors were door-sets, already finished and I do not have architrave around them. I butt joined the Fermacell to the door frame, made it all flush and left a small 'V' groove for any future cracking. To date, four years down the line, virtually no cracks around the doors.]]> https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=224122#Comment_224122 https://www.greenbuildingforum.co.uk/newforum/comments.php?DiscussionID=10564&Focus=224122#Comment_224122 Sun, 10 May 2015 09:50:12 +0100 bot de paille
Believe me, most plasterers are more than capable of plastering any way you want around a door frame.]]>