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    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2008
     
    Many restaurants, pubs and clubs have recently built outdoor covered smoking areas-- some with heaters!

    Thus we have the weird situation where one good government policy has had a knock on effect leading to a ghastly waste of energy trying to heat out door spaces.

    Insane or what?
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    Enter The Sustainable Patio Heater Company!......

    Discuss...
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      CommentAuthorScarlett
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2008
     
    As a smoker I have seen attempts by landlords to heat outside areas. My guilt of giving others cancer has lifted only to be replaced with the knowledge my fag is the main cause of global warming.


    Pubs need to create new areas for smokers, heated by wood
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      CommentAuthorrichy
    • CommentTimeJan 5th 2008
     
    i'm keen to find the ideal soloution.

    i'm a joiner, not a smoker!
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    Posted By: Scarlettcreate new areas for smokers, heated by wood
    If by law that has to be outdoors, then the only possible way of heating is by radiant, which remains more or less effective regardless of air temp or wind. Note I say 'more or less'!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    The Sustainable Patio Heater Company!......

    On Christmas day in the workhouse in August last July --springs to mind.

    There is a contradiction in your question Nick -- sustainable and patio heaters are opposites.
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    Much of the problem is cause by the reluctance of the binge drinking hordes that apparently now frequent our taverns to wear sensible modest clothing and
    stout sturdy footwear. I wonder when dressing for the weather will come back in fashion?
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    Tony said: ''The Sustainable Patio Heater Company!......

    On Christmas day in the workhouse in August last July --springs to mind.

    There is a contradiction in your question Nick -- sustainable and patio heaters are opposites. ''

    Quite! Sorry, ''The Sustainable Patio Heater Co'' has been a running joke as we've been freezing our bits off building this timber building. What's a bit of impossibility between friends?

    N
    • CommentAuthorPeter A
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    Perhaps "log candles" are the sustainable answer, take a 300mm dia log approx 450mm long, drill a 25-30mm hole vertically down centre about 2/3rds of height, drill hole in from side to join vertical hole at bottom, insert a 25mm off cut of candle and light. The candle may need a light bit of kindling dropped on it from top but once the inside of the log gets going produces a very effective candle and some heat, bit smokey, as all fires, burns away to nothing. Quite fun, only limit is the lenght of drill bit.
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    ''Much of the problem is cause by the reluctance of the binge drinking hordes that apparently now frequent our taverns to wear sensible modest clothing and
    stout sturdy footwear. I wonder when dressing for the weather will come back in fashion? ''

    The Sustainable Patio Heater and Woolly Jumper Co.....
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      CommentAuthorScarlett
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    How about an efficient double sided wood burner with boiler, sited centrally within a large umbrella/ canopy with a gravity pipe system designed as a hand rail around the outer edge of the canopy?
    To justify the need for extra staff to tend the fire , food could be cooked on or in the stove!
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    The Sustainable Patio Heater, Woolly Jumper and Barbecue Co. Getting better all the time!!
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      CommentAuthorScarlett
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    Of course a 20 year old wearing moon boots and a jumper his mum knitted would create interest from the opposite sex, probably not the interest he wanted but hey, at least he is doing his bit.
    • CommentAuthorCWatters
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    The outlet of the pubs extractor fan can be used to heat the smoking shelter now that the pub is smoke free!
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    Colin, now that's a positive idea and worth patenting too
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    Surely cigarettes need to just be made a lot bigger, therefore heating the space around the smokers... better still if there were more smokers then there would be even more heat...

    Simple: smoke more fags, smoke bigger fags...

    J

    :wink:
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    Hey man, I tried that but the bigger ones just make me dizzy
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    :smoking:
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      CommentAuthorScarlett
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    I suppose there would be an issue with blowing fumes from restaurants and smelly pits from busy pubs and clubs over smokers (I think we still have rights too).

    Warm air could be diffused into numerous smaller (say 40 mm) pipes which then make up tubular furniture (seating, hand rails etc.). The flow could then connect to a vertical flue to help up draught and disperse fumes.

    I think theres good potential from commercial kitchen extractors.
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    What about a row of pegs by the back door with some thick coats hanging on them? Complementary fingerless gloves in the pockets and little woolly hats with the name of the pub on.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    Honestly, forget any attempt to warm the air, which 90% of the time will just be wafted away - rely on powerful radiant.
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      CommentAuthorScarlett
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    The idea was to warm the pipes which in turn radiate
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2008
     
    Ah - yes. However, lo-temp pipes will actually be giving off much of their heat by convection i.e. warming the air - only a smallish proportion of the output will be radiant - just like a CH rad. To get a high radiant component, with little convection (which is almost completely a waste, outdoors), you need hi-temp emitters and/or beaming downward, as used to keep the parishoners' teeth from chattering when there's not a hope of raising the church's air temp just for Sunday morning. In other words, the patio heater - it's actually about as efficient as you can get, outdoors. Just don't expect it to be so gas-gulping as to be comfortable in a t-shirt in January!
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      CommentAuthorScarlett
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2008
     
    I would'nt want to warm the air, only transfer the heat to a person touching or sitting. Similar feeling to heated car seats.
    • CommentAuthortony
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2008
     
    Anyone want to make comments about the conflict of HMG policies?
    • CommentAuthorskywalker
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2008
     
    Happy new year!

    'Anyone want to make comments about the conflict of HMG policies?'

    There are conflicts in all policies. Big fat glaring ones such as UK arms dealing, 'elephants in the room' such as any climate change poilicy which does not put global human population at the very top of the agenda (possibly seperated from ALL the other less important issues by a page or two), and a myriad of inconsistenecies such as the outdoor heater comedy outlined here.

    As a child/young person in the 70's I was a staunch anti-smoker as I had absorbed the message from telly and at school.I even saved up my pocket money for months & bought those devices you used to fit your ciggarette into to help my mother give up (didn't work). I started smoking when I was about 18 as a result of going out to pubs constantly surrounded by smoke and after a number of my freinds had succumbed to the weed. I literaly found myself walking down the street wanting a fag one day & bought a pack - the end. I am now 42 and trying to quit for the n'th time (going well nearing the 4th week on patches) but the stats are not good and very few manage to quit permanently. I suspect that banning smoking in public places will stop a great many people from starting to smoke, hopefully future HMG's will be persuaded to be even more draconian and ban the sale of tobacco entirely (with a registered addict scheme) and tobbaco tar will no longer provide long, lingering, painfull, expensive deaths as it does now.

    The energy cost of looking after near complete cohorts of westerners into their 90's and beyond are, of course, another story.

    S.
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      CommentAuthorfostertom
    • CommentTimeJan 7th 2008
     
    Posted By: Scarletttransfer the heat to a person touching or sitting. Similar feeling to heated car seats.
    Could be a good approach - a bit of convection would rise to envelop the person, but it need only be a little bit, because very localised, before it gets blown away
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    Radiant heating works very well in outdoor applications. At Pierre Eliot Trudeau Airport in Montreal there are basically electrical strip radiant heaters above the waiting area for taxis. When it's -20C outside it makes waiting for a taxi possible rather than a risk-of-getting-frostbite exercise. Though, as I write this, the whole Taxi area is being redesigned so hopefully the waiting area will be inside. With a well designed reflector, a radiant heater doesn't need to consume much power to direct a useful amount of heat to the people below.

    Paul in Montreal
    • CommentAuthorstephendv
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2008
     
    Keep the smokers indoors and keep the cigarettes outdoors with plastic tubes between the two ;)

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