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    I wonder if I could take a middle way? I don't know what the small print on the foam can (which few ever read) says, but I doubt that either you or the builder expected (or would reasonably have expected) such a horrible mess (it looks awful, and I do wonder how it got so widely over the stile - I'd have expected 'blotches' where, during expansion, the foam 'curled' round the edge onto the face of the stile, not the stringy effect you have).

    While I do not think it is at all reasonable for the builder to say (or imply by not saying) 'tough', I do wonder whether suggestions that the builder should simply replace the whole unit are entirely fair *if the staining could not reasonably have been foreseen*. My hope would, I think, be for some agreement re cleaning or, in extremis, as Tony suggested, hiding the staining. I agree his failure to communicate does not auger well....
    • CommentAuthorgravelld
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2015
     
    I don't understand how the marks got there... Just messy application? Was a gun used?
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    I agree, gravelld. Perhaps an unlucky accident (?inadvertent sleeve-full of uncured foam gets transferred to the frame somehow ....????). Having had a can 'blow up' on me last week I do know how foam can get in unusual places (Your Honour)! It's certainly not a 'normal' pattern for excess foam.
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    Posted By: Nick ParsonsWhile I do not think it is at all reasonable for the builder to say (or imply by not saying) 'tough', I do wonder whether suggestions that the builder should simply replace the whole unit are entirely fair *if the staining could not reasonably have been foreseen*. My hope would, I think, be for some agreement re cleaning or, in extremis, as Tony suggested, hiding the staining. I agree his failure to communicate does not auger well....


    My last communication with the builder was an agreement that he would come back and clean it, that is what he is not doing. However Nick I find it extraordinary that anyone should suggest the builder could argue that it could not reasonably be foreseen and therefore he gets off the hook. With respect, only a builder could suggest that. If you are able to look at it from the point of view of a householder I think you can see that. This is the basis of the contract that my consumer rights give and which the builder contracted into when he issued a quotation for the work and I accepted - I pay promptly and he does the thing properly.


    Posted By: gravelldI don't understand how the marks got there... Just messy application? Was a gun used?

    I agree it is not obvious what has happened with this bit of plastic window frame, I wonder if it was a mistake in the factory.



    Posted By: ringiYou need to get 3 sets of quotes for putting it right, and then issue court proceedings


    I have had this thought, but this is all new to me. Should I tell the quoting companies what I am doing? in which case why would they help me? Or should I lie when they ask?

    Many thanks again for all the input from everyone.

    Peter
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    I am pretty sure I know how those marks got there: when one uses too much foam one reaches for the foam dissolver spray...fast, spray the stuff and wipe it off, repeat, it goes runny and can be wiped off but leave just a trace and you get the sort of marks you see in the photo, I have done it on most materials but not on PVC thankfully.
    • CommentAuthorMike George
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2015 edited
     
    That's interesting, as reading all of this I am completely flumoxed as to what those marks even are. I have used foam for a thousand and one applications over the years and NEVER had a problem with staining of any kind.. Plenty of accidents too where the bloody stuff has gone everywhere.

    What does makes sense is some kind of chemical reaction such as Gotenewlife suggests. I have never used the foam dissolver spray or the stuff they sell to clean the guns out - waste of money. If you leave a can on the gun and keep under pressure it will never block (at least has never blocked for me).

    Anyway, one tip my window supplier gave me years ago was if all else fails try WD40 - it will clean some products off upvc.

    I agree it's down to the builder,though if I were him I would be calling in the foam manufacturers rep - always the possibility that it was a rougue batch
    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2015 edited
     
    Yes sounds quite possible. Before and after a few minutes with a cream cleaner. I have found a handful of these stains mostly on early work, as I too found it best not to use the solvent, but let it dry then cut off any excess.
    • CommentAuthorPeter Clark
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2015 edited
     
    Posted By: andyman99Yes sounds quite possible. Before and after a few minutes with a cream cleaner. I have found a handful of these stains mostly on early work, as I too found it best not to use the solvent, but let it dry then cut off any excess.


    Thanks andyman99,

    That looks like just what I need. Can you explain more clearly what you mean by cream cleaner?

    Peter
    • CommentAuthorandyman99
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2015
     
    Hi Peter. Try something like CIF or W5. Its just a slightly abrasive cleaner used in bathrooms. The small bit in the picture actually came off quite easily, but sometimes I have had to use a green scourer. Try a small bit first and check you are happy that no visible damage is occuring.
    • CommentAuthorGreenfish
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2015
     
    For cream cleaner also try the one made by Ecover. I have used it on my uPVC frames for years with no bad effects, seems to budge stans that other things can't shift (great for curry or wine stains on the work top too).
    • CommentAuthorPeter Clark
    • CommentTimeJan 14th 2015 edited
     
    Posted By: andyman99Try something like CIF or W5. Its just a slightly abrasive cleaner used in bathrooms. The small bit in the picture actually came off quite easily, but sometimes I have had to use a green scourer.


    Great advice andyman99, thanks.

    I used Cif cream cleaner and a bit of very fine sandpaper. That has removed almost all of it after about an hour. As far as I can see there is no damage to the surface of the window frame. I am reluctant to press harder and get all of the remainder off in case I do damage the plastic.

    Overall quite empowering, but really I am a bit annoyed that I have to do this, and with salt of the earth man ignoring communications.

    Many thanks to everyone who have contributed to this thread.

    Peter
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      CommentAuthorSteamyTea
    • CommentTimeJan 14th 2015 edited
     
    Posted By: Peter ClarkOverall quite empowering, but really I am a bit annoyed that I have to do this, and with salt of the earth man ignoring communications.
    What Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn is for. The internet is great for slagging people off, almost designed for it.

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